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My great grandmother is driving me mental. i am sure you have heard me mention the name Annie Truscott before but i just keep hitting a brick wall.According to her last marriage certificate she was a widow and her father was Edward Truscott. That was 1925, In 1910 she gave birth to a daughter called edith Truscott (who i have always known as edith bellis so that took a time to find). Then in 1912 she had a child called edward, his father was edward bellis and she was classed as annie bellis, i presume she married him but cannot find any record of the marriage what so ever. on ediths birht certificate thwere was no father and she was still annie truscott. Has she lied and not really been married? but if this was the case why is she a widow on her 2nd marriage certificate, surely she would need some proof of this. I have 2 addresses for her at the time she had edith, her home address where edith was born and a work adress where she was a domestic servant, is there a way i can find out if she lived with anyone or using a different name nad these homes. She is relly getting me down and alot of people have helped me on this bloody woman before and i have followed up every lead religiously, but brick after brick after brick. Any advice would be much appreciated thankyou all so much lynsey:-(

i have looked for the marriage certificate in between the two births and after, but it is just not to be found. i think edward died in the war. i know he died before 1922 when my grandfather was born because his father was the man she married in 1925, there is no father on ediths certificate. there is no maerriage between a truscott and bellis but i cant find arecord of her mrrying some one else before either and changing her name back or using a different surname to marry edward. i need to find the name she rented the house under andsee if there is a difference, do you think there is a way of doing this?

Hi Lynsey If Annie is getting married and already has a daughter, she is going to call herself a widow, whether she is or not. A widow is nice and respectable, and after 1914 perfectly feasible. She wouldn't be able to get away with this if she lived and married in a small village where everyone knew her, but in a town there might be nobody to question her. So far as I'm aware, you did not have to provide any proofs. Some of my relatives commited the far worse sin of saying they were single when they were not. Another, clearly the local scarlet woman, calls herself a widow while continuing to use her maiden name! Sorry not to be more positive, but Annie may simply never have married. Best wishes Brenda

is there a way of accessing the electorial role on line or do i need to get somewhere local?

thanks brenda, you are there again:-) thanks to you all

Hi you say she married twice as you mention her last marriage cert, was the second marriage to Edward Bellis or was that the first. I am confused did you say that on one of her marriages she is Annie Truscott and father is Edward Truscott and she is widowed. What years did she marry ??? i dont know the location were she was born the only marriage i can find is 1912 Oct - Dec quarter in Plymouth Annie M.S Truscott to someone with surname Lang 5b 621. Colette xx

hi collette she married a george crankshaw in 1925 under the name annie bellis widowed and it states her fathers name as edward truscott deceased. Edward bellis was i presume her first marriage but i cannot find any record of this. i think she must have married him after edith was born in 1910 as she was registered as truscott and there was no fathers name but before her son edward was born because here it listshis fathers name as edward bellis and she is annie bellis formally truscott. I think she was born in london but this is why i am having so many problems with her because the two Annie truscotts i have being born in 1883 do not have fathers called edward and i cannot find an annie truscott on the 1891 or 1901 living with a father called edward so i cannot link her to any of them for definate yet so i am hoping to find this marriage or details of people living at the addresses i have for her in 1910will lead mre back slowly instead of jumping the gun and tracing the wrong family. hopefully this makes bertter sense :-)))

thanks jaquline i will do that

thank you for taking the time to reply and helping me, i am going to pen a letter to the local history library and see if they will be kid enough to help me out. i will let you all know how i get on and thanks again:-))))

Hi Lyndsey you do have a dilema dont you. Looks like the Truscott name originates in the Cornwall area doesnt it. And there are a few Edwards on the 1881 he has to be one of those but which one is anyones guess. As it says father deseased on her marriage cert could mean he died in 1884 for all we know so he wouldnt be on the 1891 or 1901, but thats just guessing. You never said what area she married Crankshaw and Bellis. The more heads on this one one of us may come up with a snippit you never know. It can get so frustrating carnt it when you need one little break through. Col xxx ps did she have siblings.

hi lynsey. where did the marriages and births take place ? sue.

sorry for not replying i was knackered. The crankshaw marriage took place in manchester north registry office in 1925, i have that certificate. All her children were born in salford, manchester or broughton so i think the edward marriage took place there also. I have 2 annie truscotts born in london. the one i have a birth certificate for was born in kilburn and her father was john truscott. in 1891 she was on the census with her grandfather and in 1901 she was with her parents, but i have no definate link to this woman. in some details i find on this family john is stated as john e truscott, this may stand for edward but it doesnt seem that he used this name so i cant say that that is actually her. the marriage certificate has thrown me off track. i dont know why she was in manchester if she was from london but i am not the only one. most people havent got a clue why family mambers travelled so far away. I think i will need an electorial role or census that has all the information that fits with what i know and see where she was born but i am hoping the marriage certificate to edward will give me more clues, witnesses, fathers name etc.

hi col, it is frustrating yes, i dont know where to turn, like i said i have to work backwards as i dont know for definate where she was born because of this fathers name. i really appreciate everything you are all doing, even just reading the thread is a pick me up, its good to throw ideas around with people.

Hi again regarding the Annie you have the birth cert for i take it her mums name was Annie too as i saw that family on the 1891, she's with the Grandparents isnt she is the surname of mother Elwin or Edburn or Elvin as each census its a different spelling. If it is her her dad may have taken a job up north, and as you say the John E could be Edward, need to find a birth for a John Edward Truscott to clear that up. Be back if anything turns up. Col xx

Just wondering why you think she was born in London? There is an Annie Truscott born in Manchester in 1894 - still old enough to have had a child in 1910. S:>

Just wondering too as the saga continues what was Edwrad her fathers occuptaion on her marriage certs or wasn't there one as he was deseased. Col xx

susan, i have just looked at that one but through the excitement of an annie born in manchester i did not check the date. she was 60 on her death certidficate in 1944 and was 42 on her second marriage certificate, so the dates were 10/11 years out for the manchester birth. thanks for looking though

colette, her dad was dstated deceased on her marriage certificate.but said his job was chemical works labourer

Were there no clues on the details I sent you on Edward Bellis' service record. Next of kin was a Ann Bellis. JAN