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Have you seen this guy on 1901: William Springford age 61 Born Rowde,Wiltshire Living Devizes S. John Wine cellar man He may have been visiting Regards, Tricia

hi please could you look for snoxell or snoxall fron your 1901 census for me as l am struggling to find any thing at the moment,names are paul,leslie frederick charles and samual.thanks paul.

Emma - now I've looked at the schedule for Smith I see what you mean - whoever did that piece of transcribing must have been on something very strong !!! Jools

Hi Emma, Thanks a lot, I have emailed you! Sarah x

Sarah, I used the 1871 on Ancestry which is searchable only by name. The discs are address only - almost impossible to find anyone unless you know the street they were living in. I think the place of birth for Hanna Fisher is actually Bottlesford now I look at it closely. If you email me I'll send you a copy of the 1871 and 1891 schedules. Emma

Hiya Emma, Thanks again!! Will have to check my notes again and check the Hannah. William was one of around 10 children I think, I haven't seen that area crop up before though, was it Bottison? But theres a lot of them in Wiltshire so its worth looking into. He has moved around quite a bit, born in Rowde, he and Mary married in Chepstow, where the first daughter was born. Then Berkshire, and I think the third child was born somewhere else before they settled in Swindon. Are all the censuses searched by address do you know? I never requested 1861 or 1871 as I was not sure where they were living and was going to apply for all the childrens birth certificates first to get an idea of where they were living. So I'm very pleased to get their 1871 as I didn't think it would be that easy. I've been toying with getting the Census cd's but as they moved around so much, I was never sure where to start and which area etc. Thanks again for your help. Its much appreciated. Sarah x

Sarah, Usually if there are two households living in one property and they aren't related they are separated with a line on the schedule. This has happened for these two families so it might be that they are connected in some way. Notice that Hanna is from Wiltshire - it could be possible she is related to William in some way. I have to say that William's age looks more like 35 (a line has been drawn through it so it's difficult to tell). Emma x

Emma, Many thanks for the 1871 information, thats definetely him with their first 2 children!! The age thing is one of those where I don't think he knows how old he is maybe. On the 1881 he was shown as 38 I think, and his place of birth was listed as PEARDES, WILTSHIRE and I had a lot of problems finding his birth and I found it eventually as being ROWDE and in 1845. I think that too was somebody on GR suggesting Rowde as being a possible place. Thankyou so much for the 1871, I'm very grateful. How do they have 2 heads, I wonder. I suppose 1 family lived upstairs and 1 downstairs something like that. I'm also pleased to find out WI is definetely wife, I'm sure hes out there somewhere and would be so sad to find he'd died. I'm hoping hes mistranscribed somewhere. Thanks everyone for your help. Sarah

Hi Sarah, The family that Jools found is on all the other censuses. So don't think it's him - unless he had two who families on the go!! On the 1891 if definitely says WIFE and not WI for Mary. The information from the 1871 is: William Springford, head, mar, 25/35?, groom, Rowde Wilts Mary, wife, 31, Thursley Cumberland Sarah Ann, daur, 4, Chepstow Monmouth Fridk William, son, 2, Devizes Wilts Edmund Fisher, head, mar, 33, labourer, Weston Berks Hanna, wife, 23, Bottisford Wilts Henry Geo, son, 4, Bottisford Wilts Albert Jas, son, 10mo, Dulwich Surrey Elizabeth Martin, visitor, 2, London at London Road, Earley Terrace, Sonning, Berkshire Source information: RG10/1289 Registration district: Wokingham Sub-registration district: Wargrave ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 88 Page: 1 Emma x

Hi Jools, Just read your reply again regards the William you found, the ages are quite close aren't they and maybe he married again. I shall look and see if I can find that family on the 1881. Although he had a daughter with Mary apparently in late 1880s. I'm confused now but worth looking into. Thanks again Sarah

Hi everyone, I'm overwhelmed, I only popped out to the shops for 10 minutes and come back to all this. Emma, thanks for looking and no I don't have the 1871, so I would be VERY grateful for that. As they moved around before 1881, it was a case of me ordering the childrens birth certificates to find out where they possibly could have been, I don't like requesting lookups on too vague info. Thank you so much, thats a great help!!! Ian, thank you too, no that I don't think is him because of the vast age difference, but will keep the info as he is from Devizes and will be related somehow I would image. Jools, thank you for looking, I've just checked my notes and the information I was given (it was a lookup), was RG12/1582 Folio 63 page 33. It said that Mary was living at 25 Albert Street Swindon (with some of the children), she was age 50, place of birth CUL (cumberland) and the most distressing thing relationship to head actually says WI. Thinking about it now, does that mean WIFE or WIDOW? On the 1901, Mary is clearly shown as HEAD. Now I'm not sure and have already started grieving over his death!!! Thanks for all your help, I'm very grateful, any ideas on the wife or widow gratefully accepted!! Sarah

Jools, Look at the schedule for Mary Smith - that has got to be the worst piece of transcribing ever!!! It might be difficult to make out as Springford but Smith!! Emma x

Sarah - I can't even find his wife on 1891. There are only 2 Mary born Cumberland living Swindon Furey, Mary A 81 Cumberland Head Swindon Wiltshire Smith, Mary 50 Castle Ward, Cumberland Wife Swindon Wiltshire The only William Springford born Rowde is this one Springford, Alice J 13 Rowde, Wiltshire Daughter St John Baptist Wiltshire Springford, Elizabeth 52 Hungerford, Berkshire Wife St John Baptist Wiltshire Springford, William 51 Rowde, Wiltshire Head St John Baptist Wiltshire Springford, William F 12 Rowde, Wiltshire Son St John Baptist Wiltshire Am I missing something here?? Jools

Sarah, Probably not your man - FreeBMD has the death of a William Springford, aged 59, registered in the district of Devizes, March quarter 1886 (Vol 5a / Page 68). I guess the ages do not match? I also presume the 1891 and 1901 census do not mention if the wife is a widow ('w')? Ian

Sarah, Sorry no sign of him on the Ancestry 1901 either. I found him on 1871 do you have this information? Emma x

Hi Emma, Thanks for your reply. The man I am looking for is called William Springford! On the 1881 Census, he is listed with his family at Albert Street, Swindon as a Domestic Groom. On the 1891 Census, his wife is still at Albert Street, Swindon listed as Wife to Head of Household but I cannot find him on 1891 either. On the 1901 Census, his wife (Mary) is still at Albert Street, Swindon and listed as Head of Household but I can't find him listed anywhere. I've not found a reference to his death and have been desparately trying for months to find him. The family move between no 23 and no 25 Albert Street on the Census's. He was born in 1845 in Rowde, Wiltshire so should be around 56 years old. Many thanks for your help!!! Sarah

Hi Sarah, The information on Ancestry is not the same as the 1901 census site. Who are you looking for and I'll take a look on Ancestry's 1901 for you. Emma.

Hi there, Just been reading through some of the threads and see that the 1901 Census is available through Ancestry. I know it was mentioned that it is not complete and the 1901 website is, but do Ancestry get their info from the 1901 website (if you know what I mean). My point being that I can't find someone on 1901, is it worth looking on the Ancestry one or not? Does anyone have any ideas on this. Many thanks. Sarah