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Thanks Kevin, thats a great help.

This looks like George Fowlers death registration. Name: Fowler, George Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 32 Quarter: March Year: 1883 District: Kings Norton County: Staffordshire Warwickshire Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 287 Rgds Kevin.

Hi Lisa, Your datelines look ok, the age which is most likely is that which was completed by her parents (ie 5 in 1851), this could be the birth registration, Clifton district included many parts on Bristol. Name: Tucker, Ellen Matilda Mary Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1846 District: Clifton County: Gloucestershire Volume: 11 Page: 330 I agree with you assumption that she lied about her age to close the gap. Good luck Kevin.

OK, so; 1851 census Ellen Tucker 5 born Bristol 1867 Ellen Matilda Tucker m George Fowler Birmingham 1881 census George Fowler 30, Ellen Fowler 32 Whampton 1884Ellen Fowler, nee Tucker 34 m George Littleboy 21 1885 Lewis W F L Littleboy born to Ellen & George 1891 census George 33, Ellen 36, Gussie 14, Percy 13, Lilly 9, Lewis 6, Ivy 1, all said to have the surname 'Littleboy' and born in London 1901 census George 39 born Stoke Poges, (H)Ellen 40 born Brixton (?) Lewis 16, Ivy 11, Lilian Fowler (visitor) 19 born Wimbledon, surrey Does this sound right to everyone? Apart from the little age lies!!

Thanks Tracy

Could this be the elusive pair on the 1881?: George FOWLER Head M Male 30 Whampton, Stafford, England Plumber Ellen FOWLER Wife M Female 32 Whampton, Stafford, England Edith JONES Visitor Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Wynn St 6 Victoria Pl Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England Family History Library Film 1341711 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2974 / 79 Page Number 39 Hope this helps. Tracy

Maybe if I can find when she died it may give her real age? What do you think?

That could well be, it's so difficult when she constantly lies about her age. I know that her father was Thomas though and on the marriage certificate it says he's a builder, so maybe! Thankyou.

If this is her in 1851, someone is still telling porkys about her age. Searching: STPAUL.TXT 96 TUCKER Thomas 35 Carpenter Tiverton TUCKER Ann 33 Tiverton TUCKER Eliza 7 Bristol TUCKER Ellen 5 Bristol

Thankyou Geoff, Ellens father was Thomas Tucker, she married a Fowler but was widowed, they may have had a son, Gus Fowler, not too sure on that one though!

Hi Lisa, on the 1891 Census, married to George Littleboy it says she was born in Bristol, but I cannot for the life of me find her anywhere and certainly not with a Thomas Tucker! This Census image of Ellen and George 1891 has lots of children. Do you want it? If you do, you need to e-mail me direct. Sorry couldn't be of more help. Geoff

Thanx Geoff, sorry, I found when she married George Littleboy but cannot find any thing about her previous marriage or find where she was born!!

Lisa, Could this be the answer to your mystery? 1884>Dec Qtr>Marriages>vol.1a>Page 773 George Littleboy married Ellen FOWLER Will dig a little deeper for you. Geoff

Thankyou Philip, this could well be my Helen/Ellen! I'm so stumped! I believe Helen/Ellen had a daughter called Lillian with mystery Fowler?!

geoff, George was born March 1863 in Stoke Poges, Bucks, so he wasn't lying!! The problem being I have no idea where Helen/Ellen or Thomas were born!! Where do I start?

Thanx all! Now you see why I'm stuck! The marriage certificate says; December 15 1884, Name Age Condition Proffesion Residence George Littleboy 21 Bachelor Gardener Brewer St Ellen Fowler 34 Widow ----- Brewer St Fathers name Profession Frederick Littleboy Gardener Thomas Tucker Builder Family say that he was her familys gardener and that it was all rather frowned upon. Their first child was born three months after they married, maybe it was thought better they married than she have an illegitimate child? All rather too much Lady Chatterley if you ask me!

Don't trust anything you read on a certificate!!!!!!!! LOL Janice

Hi Don't know if I'm mis-reading this but are you saying the marriage cert says George Littleboy is 21 yrs old? If so wouldn't that mean he was born 1863? And then you say he married Helen/Ellen Tucker 1884? Ellen born 1850 I think one of the ages is wrong Or toyboys were around in those days too..lol WHERE WAS HELEH/ELLEN AND OR THOMAS BORN, DISTRICT IF POSSIBLE? Geoff

I am looking for a Helen/Ellen Tucker. I know she married George Littleboy on 15 Dec 1884 at St Peters, Pimlico and that she was married before to Fowler. The problem is that on the 1901 census she is recorded as Helen and gives a different age to that of the marriage certificate. I know it's them on the census because of the children. The marriage certificate states that Ellen is 34 and George is 21, could they have lied about age because of the gap or is it a different woman altogether, I can understand that if you didnt pronounce your 'h's' it could quite easily be heard as Ellen!? I just don't seem to be able to get anywhere with finding either a Helen or an Ellen Tucker born to a Thomas Tucker or marrying a Fowler. HELP!!!