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Hi, please could someone with the decoder look for a family that includes: Thomas Thorpe, born in Nottinghamshire, Mary Jane Thorpe, his wife born Notts Their children Samuel b1867/1887 Nottinghamshire, George and Frank. Cannot find ANY of them on 1881 or 1901 census, and somebody has looked on 1891 as well for me, but it was unsuccessful. I know that Samuel definitely existed, i've found his death on 1837online (age 31, 3/10/1918) and my auntie had this correct information, so i'm hoping that the rest she's given me is accurate! Thanks in advance! Nicola

Per Free BMD Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1876 THOMAS Mary Jane York 9d 69 THORP Thomas York 9d 69 TODD Emily York 9d 69 Wood Lionel Richard York 9d 69 Regards Penny

Hi Nicola, This is the closet match: Forenames Lastname Page ID Person ID Age PRO Age Year Born Where Born Census Place Census County Occupation Piece RG13/ Folio Mary THORPE AD1CA0C1AC6EA347 0F9ECF194A249661 24 24 1877 Mansfield Notts Mansfield Nottinghamshire Embroider Hosiery Factory N/A N/A Thomas THORPE AD1CA0C1AC6EA347 43DE7A81104001FF 50 50 1851 Mansfield Notts Mansfield Nottinghamshire Railway Platelayer N/A N/A Samuel THORPE AD1CA0C1AC6EA347 46DD3ADE70E6F145 15 15 1886 Mansfield Notts Mansfield Nottinghamshire Iron Moulder N/A N/A Alfred THORPE AD1CA0C1AC6EA347 96EB7C276B653A3A 17 17 1884 Mansfield Notts Mansfield Nottinghamshire Tailors Apprentice N/A N/A Froude THORPE AD1CA0C1AC6EA347 A6826AFF7E065ACF 24 24 1877 Mansfield Notts Mansfield Nottinghamshire Carter Corporative Society N/A N/A There are no other Samuels of about the right age. Rick.

Thanks, that looks very likely, i don't think i've ever looked up any other counties but Nottinghamshire, but i suppose i should rule others out! Thanks Penny, Nicola

Thanks Rick, Does that mean they will all be in one household?? i don't really understand the decoder thing! I've looked up practically every sam/samuel in Notts/Derbyshire to try and find him, but not been successful! Nicola

Hi Nicola, I'm not that up with the decoder myself, but I grouped all of the names by page number, so this lot looks like one family. The Mary on the page is much younger than Thomas, so she's either his daughter (so maybe the mother had died) or perhaps a second wife. By the way, there is one marriage on Ancestry which might be of interest: Thomas Thorpe, Shardlow Notts, Sept 1884, vol 7b, page 658. There's a Mary Jane Slack on the same page (as well as one other female). Rick.

Hmm ... as well as the five people that Rick names, my decoder includes a Phoebe 50 Mansfield and a Phoebe 14 Mansfield.

Rick, that marriage sounds even more likely, as then that would make Samuel probably the eldest child. Thanks! I'll go and have another cruise around 1901 census to see if i can find them!! Please could you look for them on 1891 census for me? They SHOULD be in Nottinghamshire, but i'm not betting on it!! Thanks very much, Nicola

Geoff, this is the family with the pheobe in it, i've been saving all the incorrect ones, so that i don't check them, and the Pheobe that you mentioned and the Froude from Rick are in the same family and rung a bell. Thomas Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Head M 50 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Railway Platelayer Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Phoebe Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Wife M 49 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Froude Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 24 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Carter Corporative Society Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Mary A Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 24 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Embroider Hosiery Factory Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Alfred Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 17 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Tailors Apprentice Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Samuel Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 15 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Iron Moulder Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity Phoebe Thorpe Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Daughter S 14 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Embroider Hosiery Factory Worker Mansfield Notts Language Infirmity thanks for your help Nicola

Just had a thought, Mary Jane and Thomas were still alive in 1918, as on CWGC, they are listed as Sam's next of kin, and they are living in Pleasley Hill then. He was married with children the though. He married Florence Ada Reason, and had Florence Jessie and Alice Azubah (don't ask where THAT cones from- have no clue!)(A.A was my grandma) they were born 1912, and 1914 respectively. Nicola

Hi Nicola, Just had to type Azubah into google !! Azubah Meaning: deserted This was the name of two biblical women... The wife of Caleb (1 Chr. 2:18, 19). The daughter of Shilhi, and mother of king Jehoshaphat (1 Kings 22:42). I don't have 1891 access, but loads of others on here do. Why not post a specific request for that - I'm sure someone will help. Rick.

Notts 1861 Piece 2428 Folio 103 237 Bleak Hill Lane, Mansfield. James Thorpe, 66 Labourer, Ann 64, Lucy 20, John 24, Woodsman, James, 18, builder, Amy, 16, Factory Worker,Thomas 10, Ellen 8. All born Sutton In Ashfield. This is the only Thomas Thorpe I can find in Mansfield

Thanks very much Robin and Rick! I wonder why the heck my great grandparents chose Azubah for a middle name for their child!?! Your help is greatly appreciated, Nicola

Hi Nicola, One branch of my family passed the Zilpah (also biblical) down from generation to generation too. I guess the names didn't sound so outlandish then. Rick.

Rick, part of me would love a cool middle name!! mines quite normal though-louise! Some of my favorite names in my tree so far are Herman Reason, Hephzibah Fuller and Evelyn Reason (who happened to be male!) Nicola

Ian Louise Price ... Hmm ... I like it!

Nicola, But Louise is quite a funny name for someone called Ian Price don't you think !! Mine's Jonathan (and my first name's Richard, but no one calls me that apart from my mum when she wants to wind me up). Fave family names: Jose Maria Penalber (male - spanish) Dinah Gold Willder (nearest we'll ever get to gold in the family) Zilpah Selina Truman Rick.

Geoff - hmmph ! You beat me to it !

Very funny you two :p my name is Nicola middle name Louise, my dad is Ian, the genesconnected account is registered in his name and i just use it :) Nicola