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The extra person living with them has led me to finding another brother I didn't know about!! Thanks for the Fletcher thing. Don't know where it could be as a maiden name though. His mother's maiden name was Savage, perhaps before that. Chloe

FLETCHER m English Pronounced: FLECH-ur From a surname meaning "maker of arrows" in Middle English, ultimately from Old French. It may be a maiden name of one of the females in the family,Ive got a few who have their mum or nans maiden name as a middle name Anna

Thanks again!! I wonder who the Sarah is, must be a sister, right age for it.... although she's born in Suffolk and my Perrens stayed in London (as far as I know) that's a new person to trace! Oh the joy! Or she could be a widowed, sister in law! Thanks again. Chloe

the ones with the same page ID are Edward 49 Brush maker Elizabeth 46 Albert 18 Brush maker Arthur 13 Geo 5 Elizabeth 23 Ethel 11 Ada 19 Ice Biscuit? Lillian 15 Biscuit Hand and theres a Sarah age 50 with the same page ID Anna

Anna - that looks very much like the marriage. Thank you again. I wonder where 'Fletcher' comes in. Is it commonly used as a Christian name back then, or could it be someone's surname?

Chloe,this might be his marriage Bellamy, Henry James 1876 March Marriages London Surrey 1d 326 Hermon, Caroline Emma 1876 March Marriages London Surrey 1d 326 PERREN, Edward Fletcher 1876 March Marriages London Surrey 1d 326 PERRIN, Edward Fletcher 1876 March Marriages London Surrey 1d 326 SMITH, Elizabeth Jane 1876 March Marriages London Surrey 1d 326 Anna

Could someone, using their 1901 census decoder, put the Perrin's from keyword 'bermondsey' in page number order for me please??

Thanks Anna. Good to see they kept their original spelling of the surname!! Chloe

living 20 Marden Road still Perren, EDWARD F 39 Hatcham, London Head Bermondsey London Perren, Elizabeth J 38 Dockhead, London Wife Bermondsey London Perren, Elizabeth M 13 Bermondsey, London Daughter Bermondsey London Perren, Florence M 12 Rotherhithe, London Daughter Perren, Albert E 8 Bermondsey, London Son Bermondsey London Perren Lillian A 5 Bermondsey Daughter Perren Arthur H 3 Bemondsey Son Perren Ethel 1 Bermondsey Daughter Anna

Thanks guys. Much appreciated... don't suppose anyone could look up Edward in the 1891 census? Pretty please!

This what it said for Registration district Greenwich Created 1st July 1837. In Kent and Surrey until 1889. Sub-districts : Deptford Central; Deptford East; Deptford North; Deptford South; Greenwich East; Greenwich West; St. Nicholas Deptford; St. Paul Deptford; Woolwich Dockyard; Woolwich Arsenal. GRO volumes : V (1837-51); 1d (1852-1930). Deptford St. Nicholas, Deptford St. Paul, Greenwich, Hatcham, Woolwich (1837-68) Registers now divided between Greenwich and Lewisham districts.

Zoe, Hatcham was an older name for the area that became New Cross according to the site I mentioned above. Just found it by luck trying Google, Marian

Just to set your mind at rest I've also checked freebmd for Edward Perrin and he's not there either

LOL, not surprised!! Little white lies and all of that. I think that's the bloke I'm looking for. I found it too. Thanks guys.

Chloe I just spotted the same one on 1881 and wondered if it was him. I looked up hatcham on streetmap and it doesn't exist!!! Zoe

Chloe, I think this may be him in 1881. This was the only one born in Surrey. Edward F. PERRIN Head M Male 29 Hatcham Brush Maker Elizabeth S. PERRIN Wife M Female 28 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Elizabeth M. PERRIN Daur Female 3 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Florence M. PERRIN Daur Female 2 Deptford, Kent, England Alice M. PERRIN Daur Female 2 m Bermondsey, Surrey, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 20 Marden Rd Census Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341129 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0568 / 42 Page Number 32 Google found this site explaining that 'Hatcham' became 'New Cross' which makes it more likely: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/new-cross.htm Marian

Hi, Thanks for that, now I won't be spending the whole weekend thinking that he's on there, and he's not!! I think I've found him on the 1881, but it's been mistranscribed to PERRIN, it says he was born in Hatcham, which I think is the same as New Cross?!? Could someone then please look for him in 1891 to see if his surname stayed that way or not. Born 1852, Edward F Perrin/Perren. Thanks!!

no births for Edward perren in 1852 on freebmd around New Cross. nearest is an 1854 in Marylebone - which is actually a fair distance

Leigh sent me a copy of my great great great grandparents on the 1871 census. I'm trying to find a son I've only just found out about. His name is Edward PERREN, born around 1852 in Surrey, New Cross. I can't check FreeBMD about a marriage or death because there are restrictions on this computer (a friend's computer) I looked at the 1881 and I can't seem to find him. Am I going blind? Please help! Chloe