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Hi not sure if this is possible as I dont have a place of birth for either of them but am after the families of Henry GILES born c1832 (poss. Buckinghamshire) and his wife Rosetta SUMMERS born c1837. They married in 1859 in Buckingham. And also one more if not too much - Matilda SENEY/SEENEY born 1842 in Brackley Northampton (m. George Spatcher in 1864 in Buckingham). Many Many Thanks Danielle

Here's Matilda in 1851:- Name: Matilda Seeny Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Brackley St James Town: Brackley County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Blunts Lane Occupation: Father is Pauper (agricultural labourer) Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Brackley Sub-registration district: Brackley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 146 Household Members: Name Age Ann Seeny 13 Ester Seeny 2 George Seeny 61 Matilda Seeny 8 Sarah Seeny 59 Thomas Seeny 11 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1735; Folio: ; Page: 39 Kath. x

This is the only Rosetta Summers I can find within a couple of years of the birth year you give. This is 1851 census with her grandparents:- Name: Rosetta Summers Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Whitfield County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Whitfield Occupation: Lacemaker Condition as to marriage: single Disability: View Image Registration district: Brackley Sub-registration district: Brackley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 63 Household Members: Name Age Amelia Summers 14 George Summers 7 James Summers 8 John Summers 2 Joseph Summers 9 Mary Summers 51 Richard Summers 16 Robert Summers 17 Rosetta Summers 16 Thomas Summers 50 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1735; Folio: ; Page: 15 Kath. x

There are two Henry Giles on the 1851 census born 1832 +/- 2 years in Buckinghamshire:- Name: Henry Giles Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Buckingham Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End Town: Buckingham County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Church End Occupation: Sawyer Condition as to marriage: single Disability: View Image Registration district: Buckingham Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 3f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 100 Household Members: Name Age Henry Giles 19 Joseph Giles 49 Margaret Giles 47 Sarah Giles 14 Unah Giles 15 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1724; Folio: 244; Page: 23 OR POSSIBLY THIS ONE:- Name: Henry Gills [Henry Giles] Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Augusta Gender: Male Where born: Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Eton Town: Eton County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Mile Lane Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 82 Household Members: Name Age Emma Giles 1 Thomas Giles 5 Augusta Gills 38 Caroline Gills 7 Henry Gills 18 Ledia Gills 16 Richard Gills 9 William Gills 47 William Gills 21 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1718; Folio: 418; Page: 22

FANTASTIC Kath, I think it is the first Henry Giles you found. Much appreciated! Danielle

I can't find Rosetta in 1841 to find her parents. Kath. x

This looks like Rosetta's sister Amelia in 1841 (although the 1841 doesn't give relationships I would think that Thomas and Mary are the parents):- Name: Amelia Summers Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Female Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Whitfield Hundred: Tindale (West Division) County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Whitfield Occupation: Father an Agricultural Labourer Registration district: Banbury Sub-registration district: Banbury Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Amelia Summers 4 Ann Summers 20 Elizabeth Summers 1 George Summers 15 Hannah Summers 15 John Summers 13 Mary Summers 40 Nk Summers 2 weeks Richard Summers 7 Robert Summers 9 Thomas Summers 40 William Summers 11 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 804; Book: 23; Civil Parish: Whitfield; County: Northamptonshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 5; Page: 4; Line: 6; GSU roll: 438878. Kath. x

Danielle I think I have found Rosetta in 1841, but she is in the workhouse. Rosetta Simmers Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Gender: Female Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: St Peter Brackley Hundred: Kings Sutton County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England George Simmers 60 Rosetta Simmers 2 Sarah Simmers 20 Thomas Simmers 1 Lots of other people, but these have the same surname. Suzy

Kathleen I think Amelia is Rosetta's aunt, from the 1851 image. Suzy

Suzi, You are right of course - I should have checked more carefully. Danielle, Ignore my last reply - Thomas and Mary are Rosetta's grandparents, not her parents. Kath. x

I wonder if this could be Rosetta's birth reference (it's the right time to make her 2 in the 1841 census and right place for the one in 1851 census):- Female Summers June qtr. 1839, Brackley, XV, 228 Kath. x

Well done Kathleen. Looks promising. I have found a death record for a Rosetta Giles (married name) for 1879. Wonder if it's her? That makes her DOB 1837. Fascinating one. Deaths Dec 1879 Giles Rosetta age 42 Buckingham 3a 376 Suzy

Ages on death certificates are notoriously often wrong. I have some where the age is out by up to five years. It depends on how well the informant knew the deceased, and that long ago people didn't celebrate birthdays in the same way as we do now, so many people really didn't know how old they were. The age on my grandmother's death certificate and her headstone is two years out. Must go to bed now - hope Daniella comes back to the thread tomorrow for the extra information. Good night, Kath. x

WOW!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!! Best Wishes Danielle

I appreciate so much all the help I have received so far but would appreciate a little more if possible. I have just found on the IGI that Thomas and Mary had a daughter Sarah born 1819 in Brackley, I wonder if the 1841 Rosetta 'Simmers' and Sarah Simmers, could be mother and daughter, and therefore Sarah the daughter of Thomas and Mary? Would appreicate your thoughts on this. Danielle

Hello again Danielle It does seem possible that the Sarah 'Simmers' in the workhouse in 1841 with a 2 year old Rosetta is the one you have found on the IGI. I did try to find a marriage or death for Sarah late last night, but drew a blank. Will have another look. Would be great to find out what happened to her. Were you aware of a sibling for Rosetta (Thomas age 1 in 1841)? Also, I think George (age 60 in 1841) might be Sarah's Grandfather. What do you think? Let us know. Suzy

Hi Suzy Thank you for the interest in this. I found on the IGI that THOMAS did have a daughter Sarah born 1819, so think she is his daughter and yes I agree it seems very likely Rosetta and Thomas are her 2 children. Now appears Sarah married a Levi Franklin in 1845. I am going to check the IGI now to see if Thomas snr is the son of a George (who may be shown in the 1841 with Sarah). Thanks again Danielle

This is from the IGI. It appears that Thomas Summers WAS the son of George:- THOMAS SUMMER Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 01 SEP 1803 Christening: 14 SEP 1806 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GEORGE SUMMER Family Mother: JANE Kath. x

These all seem to be the children of George Summer (the one aged 60 in 1841):- Results for: British Isles Father: George Summer, Mother: Jane Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: C074551 [refine search] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. JANE SUMMER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 JUL 1812 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England 2. GEORGE SUMMER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAR 1810 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England 3. MARY SUMMER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 25 MAR 1810 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England 4. JOHN SUMMER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 SEP 1806 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England 5. THOMAS SUMMER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 SEP 1806 Great Meeting-Independent, Kettering, Northampton, England It looks like they waited and had two children at a time christened. Kath. x