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Thankyou OZ Bird. Double checked with my relative and my Grandfather is recorded as Albert Clarke on his Baptism Cert. Grandfather could still have been born out of wedlock and kept his Mothers maiden name of Moreton. The other two brothers Frederick and George have the surname Moreton recorded on their Baptism Certs.

Regards Marion whose up very early today. 5.12am

I agree with Marion. Yes, it was usual for a widow to use her married name when remarrying but not ALWAYS.

Hope you find that marriage eventually, Lady.

Hello Andy,
Thanks for your input. I,m not so sure and here,s why... My G G Grandfather on my Mothers side married his second wife Ellen Carr in 1865 and she is down as Spinster. Not so as Ellen Carr was once married to a Thomas Dell so in fact the name Dell should have been stated but it wasn,t. On my Grandfathers Baptism Cert it clearly states his Father was George Clarke. Ok maybe Annie did not marry this Clarke fellow but I wont give up the searching as my other relation feels sure Annie was married to George Clarke.

Marion

I don't like to be the bearer of bad news but if William Payne married Annie Moreton then it is highly unlikely that she had been married to George Clarke - she would have been married as Annie Clarke.
Also the sons are all down as Moreton on the 1901 census - any legally Clarke would be shown as such. I can't see anybody pretending that children were illegitimate when they weren't.

Andy

Sophie this one is for you. The Emily you found I,m not sure about as I remember my Father taking me to visit Emily or Aunt Em as he called her when I was a little girl. The area is right though for Hackney being in London,s East End. Aunt Em passed away in her 70,s and the last time I saw her was when I was 21 years of age. Emily did marry and had three children. Perhaps the Emily you found could have been Aunty Em,s little sister who passed away aged 1 year?. Thankyou for your help.
Regards Marion

Name: Emily Payne
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 1
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 337 (click to see others on page)

This Emily has died.

I,m still over the moon with your find Oz Bird. My Grandfather was the youngest son born to Annie and his name was Albert born 1893 Hemel Hempsted. My Grandfather need not be ashamed any more thanks to you Oz Bird. My own Father told me that his Father was born out of Wedlock and for the life of me I cant understand why Annie who died in 1939 did not tell him the truth. Poor Granddad. Now I must try and find the marriage. Bless you Oz Bird.

Marionxx

I was a bit pleased with myself I must say. Why I didn't try one of the children before, I don't know.

It's certainly worth going back over your threads with a fresh mind, isn't it?

So are you descended from one of the Clarkes or from Frederick?

Ozi.

Clever girl. As you say Bingo. I say Top Of The House and take any prize you like from the Top Shelf.
I guess I had better change my surname to Clarke but I kind of like Morton. Big Clap for OZ Bird

xxxx

BINGO!!!!!

1891:
Name: George Clarke
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's name: George
Mother's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Hemel Hempstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Hemel Hempstead St Paul
Town: Hemel Hempstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Queens Place

Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Sub-registration district: Hemel Hempstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Clarke 53 - general labourer; Woburn
Annie Clarke 29 - Abingdon
Frederick W Clarke 7 - scholar; Oxford
George Clarke 2
Lillie Paley 21 - lodger

Hello Sophie,
This is what I have and my other relation has the same info on his F/T. First and oldest son was Frederick William Moreton born 17/08/1883 Oxfordshire Workhouse. The birth was reg on the 03/09/1883 Headington. Next son born was George Moreton 08/04/1888 Hemel Hempsted. My Grandfather was the third son born in 1893 Hemel Hempsted. The first two sons Fathers names unknown and they did keep their Mothers maiden name. I keep thinking Sophie about what my own Father told me which was that my Grandfather was very ashamed of the fact he was born out of wedlock. My other relation also a Genes member informs me Annie must have married this George Clarke and then Divorced him before she married William Payne. I just dont know. Perhaps if Hannah like the name of Annie so much then maybe she is down on the 1891 Census as Annie? I think Sophie I shall call this Family Tree of mine...
The Tree Of Name Changers as both sides of my family were very good at doing this. Even my Fathers sister who I knew as Aunt June was really born Emily. Over 40 years and I thought she was Aunt June. Anyway thats just a little extra but of no concern to the above.

Marion

Thanks ladies. Yes to both of them and Annie was a named she used sometimes but not her real name. The 1891 Census must hold the key here to the mystery. Hannah or Annie had three sons Frederick the oldest born in the Oxforshire Workhouse followed by George then my Grandfather the youngest son. The mystery might also be the spelling of the surname Moreton as today as with me the surname is now Morton.

Regards Marionx

If only we could find Hannah in 1891 .........


Lady Marion, got your pm. Thanks. I hope you solve this riddle sometime.

Ozi.

A little more info..George Clarke was born in Woburn, Bedfordshire and in 1891 he was living in Hemel Hempsted.

..1891 10 Queens Place, Hemel Hempstead

Regards Marion

11/04/1939 was the date Hannah Louisa Payne died. She is burried at - East London cemetry - West Ham 4a 54


Regards Marion

Hi everyone and thankyou for all your help. Oz Bird you have found Hannah for Abingdon Berkshire staying with Chas Trinder age 55. Here is the Marriage information...

William Payne
Place of marriage: Holy Trinity, Barking Road
Date of marriage: 6 NOV 1898

The Marriage Cert is being forwarded to me by a family member who is away for a few weeks longer. On my Grandfathers Birth Cert for 1893 Hemel Hempsted it states his Father was George Clarke. I was always led to believe that my Grandfather was born out of wedlock but my other family member does not think so. Hannah Louisa Payne died in 1939 as I have a little In Lovong Memory Card.

Thankyou Regards Marion

Where and when did she marry William Payne?

You need the cert, to establish what her stated name was, and the name and occupation of her father............

There is no marriage on freebmd for Hannah Moreton in Berkshire

Reg

Are you sure Hannah Payne is Hannah Moreton? Have you the marriage cert or a child's birth cert?

Ozi.

1881:
Name: Hannah Moreton
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Abingdon, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: St Helen
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address: Bury Street

Occupation: Trouser Hand At Cloth Factory

Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Abingdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Gaston 28
Hannah Moreton 21
Chas. Trinder 55
Eliza Trinder 52
Euphr. P. Woodley 18



Births Dec 1859
MORETON Hannah Louisa Abingdon 2c 253

Is this Hannah?

1901:
Name: Hannah Payne
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Haseley, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Appleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Appleton St Lawrence
Town: Eaton
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
William Payne 46
Hannah Payne 49
Thomas W Payne 18
Albert J Payne 16

Hello I am hoping someone might be able to help me with a marriage lookup for my Great Grandmother, Her name was Hannah Louisa Moreton born 1857 Abingdon Berkshire. I am trying to connect her in marriage to a George Clarke possibly in the 1890,s?. I know later she married a William Payne as her second husband and the two had a daughter Emily born about 1900. Its the Clarke marriage information I am seeking.
Thanks guys and have a great day.

Regards Marion