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confused by 2 pubs 1 mile apart 1851 cambs please

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Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 3 Sep 2007 00:08

Birth:

ELLIS LAWSON
Birth: 24 AUG 1796
Christening: 02 OCT 1796 Bourn, Cambridge, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN LAWSON
Mother: SARAH


Death:

Name: Ellis Lawson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 74
District: Caxton
County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 253

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 3 Sep 2007 00:03

1841 England Census

Name: Thomas Chapman
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Bourn
Hundred: Longstow
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton

Name: Mary Ann Lawson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Impington
Hundred: Northstow
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chesterton
Sub-registration district: Willingham

Robert Lawson 46
Mary Lawson 43
Mary Ann Lawson 19
Susan Lawson 14
Robert Lawson 11
Emmeline Lawson 7
Eliza Lawson 3





Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 2 Sep 2007 23:50

Marriage:

Name: Mary Ann Lawson / Thomas Chapman
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Caxton
County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire
Volume: 14
Page: 25

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 2 Sep 2007 23:43

Here they are in 1861:

1861 England Census
about Thomas Chapman
Name: Thomas Chapman
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Wimpole, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Bourn
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address: Looks like Citty Road

Occupation: Baker and carrier

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69

Thomas Chapman 42
Mary Ann Chapman 36
Sarah Ann Chapman 14
David Chapman 12
Mary Ann Chapman 11
Walter Chapman 9
Arthur Chapman 5
Edgar Chapman 5
Louisa Chapman 3
Rupert Chapman 1

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 2 Sep 2007 23:35

1871 census:

Name: Thomas Chapman
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Wimpole, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Longstowe
Town: Longstowe
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address: "The Golden Lion"

Occupation: Licenced victualler

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2

Thomas Chapman 52
Mary A Chapman 47
Alberta Chapman 7
Edgar Chapman 15
Mary A Chapman 21
Sarah A Chapman 24
Ellis Lawson 73 Mary Ann's father, a widowed gardener from Great Grantham
Charlotte Chapman 88 Thomas's mother, a widow from Wimpole

So it looks like Reggie was right - in 1851 Thomas was a baker.

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 2 Sep 2007 23:25

According to the Post Office Directory of Cambs, Norfolk & Suffolk,1869. [Part 1: Cambridgeshire] the innkeeper of the Golden Lion at Long Stowe was Thomas Chapman. The Golden Lion at Bourn was run by David Hughes who was also a boot and shoe maker.

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 21:36

Thanks again Reg
Looks like a trip to Shire hall in Cambridge .

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2007 21:29

I think you need to get (if you haven't already) the marriage cert for Mary Anne & her spouse........it will have info about her father's occupation.........

Reg

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 21:20

Thanks Reg

Girls name Mary anne Chapman

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2007 21:19

Neither 1851 nor 1861 census has a Thomas Chapman born in Bourn

Have you found him in 1881?........it is free.

What was the name of the Chapman girl your ancestor married?

The family from 1851 are also on 1861........the address is City Road

Reg

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 21:15

gets even more confusing-- thats the same family I found on Cfhs site and the most likely match.

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 21:13

Thomas Chapman was born C 1819 in Bourn Cambs . I am trying to find out which Pub/Inn he owned as I have narrowed it down to two pubs just over a mile apart.
I have visited both and one comes near the family stories but its a Mile from where it should be.The other has been so modernised its hard to tell

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2007 21:10

This man is living in Bourn....is he your relation?

Name: Thomas Chapman
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wimpole, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Bourn
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
David Chapman 2
George Chapman 5
Mary Chapman 27
Mary A Chapman 1
Sarah A Chapman 4
Thomas Chapman 32


Probably not....he's a Master Baker

Reg

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2007 21:08

So.....you're asking for us to find Thomas Chapman....when and where was he born?

Reg

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 20:58

Hi Reg
Two pubs 1 mile apart both called the golden lion at the time of census.
One was owned by the father in law of my great great grandad.
His name was thomas Chapman .
I am trying to find out which pub it was.
Malc

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2007 20:54

Sorry, but can't work out what question you are asking..........

Reg

Malc /GG and Jackie

Malc /GG and Jackie Report 2 Sep 2007 20:43

Golden lion pub/inn Surname Chapman please ever so nicely.
Bourn/longstowe
Malc xx