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Births Dec 1864
PARR Henry Strand 1b 484

Selena

Is this your John's birth registration? Have you got the certificate to confirm Margaret Murphy is his mother?

Births Sep 1870

Parr John George Westminster 1a 403

Selena

Going by Selena which seems to be far more probable.

1851:
Name: Margaret Murphy
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 19 St Anne's Ct

Occupation:


Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Murphy 50 - lodging house keeper
Margaret Murphy 12
Patrick Silas 29
Patrick J Spellan 26
John Davie 26
Peter Duncan 28

All the lodgers are tailors.

Have you bought this marriage certificate to establish his profession?

Marriages Sep 1857

Axworthy Mary Ann Strand 1b 618
Haslett Robert Strand 1b 618
Murphy Margaret Strand 1b 618
Parr Charles Strand 1b 618

The Strand right by Westminster.

Selena

???

Marriages Jun 1863
COYDE Ann Portsea 2b 770
GARNETT John Caplin Portsea 2b 770
...>>>PARR Charles Portsea 2b 770
...>>>SWAN Margaret Portsea 2b 770

Could this be him?

1881:
Name: John Parr
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Penge
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: St Hughe's Rd
Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 58b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Switchen 31 - wire worker
Catherine Switchen 27
Ellen Neil 14 - sister-in-law
Agness Neil 3 - niece
John Parr 10
William P. Davy 24 - visitor

Hi thanks for that - I can trace the Charles above quite easily, but can't definitely say it's mine - as all I know about him is his occupation.

John can only be found in the 1901 census, although the Charles above does have a son called John who is mentioned in some of the census returns.

I did consider that he might have joined the army for a few years? From the stories I've heard, its unlikely they would have been out of the country as it seems more like a hobby collecting insects for London Zoo.

I have the marriage certificate and birth certificate for John for the family in the census above - but none of them refer to naturalists.

From your thread you have already found this census. Which ones are you missing? Do you have all for Charles or is it only John once he leaves home you are missing? If they are collectors, could they be out of the country?


1871:
Name: Charles Parr
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St James Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 32 Rupert St

Occupation: tailor

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 281
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Parr 34
Margaret Parr 33
Henry Parr 6
John Parr 1

Yep but haven't had much luck!

didn't you have a similar thread on the Parrs a few days ago?


sylvia

Hi guys,

I'm looking for info on a Charles Parr, and am really struggling!

I have found what I think might be him, but I can't really say for sure, and am looking for something which links this up with the info I do have. The Charles Parr I have found in censuses appears to be a tailor, married to Margaret Murphy living in Westminster/Golden Square, with sons Henry and John.

All I know for certain is that Charles Parr was a "collector for naturalists" and had a son John, who was born in 1870 in Soho and was also a collector for naturalists and a printer. Charles was deceased by 1909 when John married. I need something which links this up with the Charles Parr from the censuses.

John lived in the Westminster/Soho/Holborn/St Giles area of London, moving house a fair bit in those areas between 1894-1905. I've not been able to find him in any censuses except 1901 and that was tough going as his wife was going by a different name and his occupation wasn't naturalist! I managed to match it up in the end by finding out the address his first child was born at. John finally ended up in Edmonton, London, where he died in the 1920s. Charles may have lived nearby at some point - I'm not sure!

I have access to Ancestry and have my tree on there as well. Apart from the censuses, does anyone have access to other resources which might shed some light on this? Parish records for the relevant areas of London would be really useful, as would electoral rolls.

Someone recommeded that I look in the trade directories, and I had a look on www.historicaldirectories.org and didn't have any luck - but someone else might!

I have been researching this side of my family for going on three years and have made almost no progress with the Parrs! There must be someone out there who can help!

Amy

:-) xx