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Hi All,

I have been unable to find a relative who I know emigrated from England to Australia pre-1923. He was in the British Navy in WWI, and moved to Australia after his service during the war. He probably married in England before he moved to Australia.

His name is Horace David Young b. 1896, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.

I've been unable to find his passage to Australia. So I thought if someone might be able to look him up on the Electoral Role for Australia it might help.

Or if anyone has access to Australia marriages, or deaths?

Thank you so much for any help you can give me.

Mary

HI Mary, Do you know his parents' names? There's a death for 'Horace Young' in 1971 NSW -parents John Darcy & Emma. ....... Do you have any idea which State he went to? ................. The NSW State Library has an 'Ask a Librarian' service (query form on-line) - they will check their records including electoral rolls etc. .............. You may need to check other States -they all offer same service. ........... Valerie (WA)

This looks like his marriage:

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Robin Louisa Young Darlington 10a 79
Young Horace D Robin Darlington 10a 79

And there's a death of a Maud Flora Young, parents Horace and Louisa, in the Armidale area of NSW in 1959.

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

I assume he's the Horace Young on the 1901 census with parents Edward and Annie.

I can't see a death anywhere under those names.

Can't see an obvious candidate for either Horace or Louisa in the 1930/1936 electoral rolls on Ancestry, but I don't have access to the full version.

IF he use his full name at marriage, there is a marriage entry for Horace D Young married to Louisa Robin in Jun Q 1918 in Darlington Reg District 10a 79.
Is this a likely one ?

findmypast passengers leaving uk database shows an HD and L Young leaving for Brisbane in 1927. If you get credits on the site, you can check further and see the name of the ship and exact dates etc.


Brisbane/Queensland has few bdm records available, so its difficult to tell you where else to look, as I think both parties would not be alive now.


Diane

Hi Everyone,

You've all be sooo helpful. Thank you so much. A few things to follow up it seems.

Yes, that could be his wedding in 1918 in Darlington!

Yes, his parents were Edward and Annie Young in the 1901 Census.

But I do know that he was in Australia by 1923, so I'm wondering if the 1927 record going to Australia if he came back and went again?

I don't know exactly where he went in Australia, but it could be NSW. I don't have access to the Australia Electoral Rolls either through ancestry, one else who does?

I wonder if there's a way to find his naval record in WWI in the UK?

Thank you,

Mary

With that information from Di, I can see a Horace Young in the Kennedy district of Queensland in 1930 and 1936, and a Louisa in the same district in 1925 and 1930.

Someone with a World sub to Ancestry will be able to tell you if they were living together, and their occupations and addresses.

There is a record for him on the National Archives site; I'm not familiar with Naval records, so I don't know how much information it'll contain. You can download it for £3.50.

Description Name Young, Horace David
Official Number: J20559
Place of Birth: Middlesborough, Yorkshire

Date 02 January 1896

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

Click on "Royal Naval Seamen" and search for his name.

By the way, he didn't enlist in WWII in Australia.

This page tells you what you're likely to find in the naval records:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/royal-navy-service.asp

Thank you so much Mary (from Italy)

That might help to look at his Naval Record if he was married while still in the Navy. That's great that you found it!

Anyone out there have a world subscription for Ancestry to look up the Electoral Rolls for Australia for Horace David Young and Louisa Young?

There is also someone in the family that said he "might" have had a daughter named Norah (or Nora) and a son as well. If that's them in Queensland I wonder if I might be able to look up Queensland births or deaths or marriages? Where could I do this?

Thank you!

Mary

Hi Mary,

Unfortunately Queensland BDM online index only covers period (1829-1914)

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

Do you happen to know the name of his son, if so you may be able to find him WW2 Nominal Roll.

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs


Helen

Mary, the Brisbane City Council Cemeteries is on-line. Couldn't see Horace but there's a 'Louisa d2001 age 99yrs' ............ Best to follow up 'Horace David Young' from1923+ electoral rolls. (either NSW and/or QLD State libraries) .....Valerie

If you go to www.naa.gov.au then select "recordsearch", then "search now as a guest user" then enter the keywords "Horace Robin Young", there's the naval records of an Andrew Robin Young. The docs are online and show that his father was Horace David & his mother was Louise, of Brisbane, QLD. He was born in Belfast on 14-Oct-1922. Must be the right family, especially as her maiden name was Robin, according to that marriage record! So your Horace must have been in Ireland before coming to Aus?

There are several addresses given on Andrew's naval record: 70 Prospect St, Kangaroo Point, Brisbane and then 103 Dickson St, Wooloomn(?) and then London St, Toowong - so maybe someone with access to the electoral rolls will be able to find them at one of those?

Oh and the FindMyPast site also shows an Andrew R Young, age 4, travelling to Brisbane same year as HD & L Young (1927)! Also an Ivy Young (age 11), a Nora Young (age 6) and an Edward H Young, age 1. Of course you'd need to check the detailed record to see whether they were all on the same voyage or not.

Cheers
Richard

Hi mary,

The Horace in 1930 and 1936 electoral is not with Louisa. Louisa was in Winton, Kennedy electorate with her husband and family and Horace was in Millaa Millaa, Kennedy electorate by himself.

I will have a look for the children for you.

regards, Louisa

Hi mary,

Just re-read the tread and noticed that all their children were under 18 at 1936 so they wouldn't show.

Also Horace wouldn't show if he kept his British citizenship, if he had he would not be entitled to vote.

Best bet would be contact NSW state library as said, you have a few address for Andrew that you can cross reference with. If you are asking for after 1936 you with just need his full name you don't need the area he was living.

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/family_history/

"Ask a Librarian" is on the right of the page in green box

Good Luck, Louisa

Louisa, how does the citizenship thing work?

I have quite a few people born in England who do appear on the electoral registers in Aus, and I wasn't aware they'd have needed to take out Australian citizenship to vote.

My father was Australian, and voted in England without any problems.

Where would it be recorded? I've seen one or two naturalisation applications on the NAA site, but none of them were for English people.

Louisa - Horace would still be entitled to vote. UK citizens had that right up until the 1980's. Of course he may not have registered on the electoral roll, even if he had the right to do so!

If anyone has the QLD BMD's on microfiche, they go up to 1959 for deaths and 1939 for marriages, so you might pick up a marriage or death there which you won't find on the online index.

Everyone,

You have helped me so much! I believe that is him traveling with his family, and I think that's him in Belfast as well.

Someone in the family mentioned he might have had a taxi service in Ireland at one point. And he might have continued that business in Australia.

And the names of the children fit exactly as Horace had a brother named Edward Henry Young, and that is a family name.

I will write the librarian today and see what can be found on the electoral rolls!

This is very exciting and I think you have helped me find him!

Just out of interest, the reason I know he was in Australia in 1923 was that he was supposed to meet my father who was 16 at the time when he got off the boat when he immigrated from England. His uncle Horace never showed up, and was never seen again!

So everyone in the family always wondered what happened to him, why didn't he meet the boat. And there was my father all alone in a new country at 16.

So again, thank you all so very much!

I will write the librarian and post the results.

Mary

There is also a Belfast in Victoria (although its now called Port Fairy) so he might have been in Australia in 1923 but I do think that is the family migrating in 1927. Perhaps the reason he did not meet your father is that he was not in Australia then - perhaps someone got their wires crossed, or the stories mixed up.

The biggest truth I found out is never believe everything the family tells you, the more stories the more mistakes and even more outright lies.

Diane

Yes, Diane, I have found almost all the old stories to have partial truths in them.

Everyone: the librarian in Qld was only able to trace Horace David Young to 1940 living in Qld. There is a possibility that he was in NSW after that. But I haven't had any luck with the NSW librarian.

Thank you for you help,

Mary