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My Great Great Great Grandparents Thomas Tuffy & Margaret Histon first appear in the 1851 census they were both born around 1834-35. They appear to have come over from Ireland seperately and possibly met in Stourbridge UK. I imagine they left Ireland in order to escape the famine. From what I have learned it is probable, but not certain that they both came from County Mayo. Any advice on how I could research this further would be most gratefully received.

From their 1855 marriage certificate for Stourbridge I learn that Thomas's father was called John Tuffy and was a farm labourer and that Margarets father was Michael Histon and was also a farm labourer.

My Great Great Great Grandparents eventually settled in Kidderminster, which is where I live today. They had four children including my Great Great Grandfather Thomas all of their children were born in Stourbridge. These were John Tuffy b1862; Margaret Tuffy b1865; Thomas Tuffy b1866 & William Tuffy b1869. Margaret Tuffy Married a Martin Cassidy and moved to Coventry but I have no idea what happened to either John or William after 1891. John married an Amelia Glazzard in 1889, but both he and William disappear after 1891. If anyone could give me some advice on how to trace these two individuals I would be really grateful. I mean it is only 120 years ago and in the realms of things that is not that long ago. The only assumption I can draw is that they emigrated, but where to? I have no clue?

Any help would be really great, I am at a bit of a dead end with this side of the tree, which is a shame as it is the part that interests me more than anything, because my Moms maiden name is Tuffy.

Regards
Kevin

Is this stretching things too far? (I can't see John's birth Stourbridge, but I assume you have found this yourself?)

1911

TUFFEY, John Head Married M 24 1887 Boot Repairer Birmingham CB VIEW
TUFFEY, Amy Wife Married F 24 1887 Silver Finisher Birmingham CB VIEW

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George EnumerationDistrict:
37 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
1 Br of 30 Cliveland St Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Jan

1881

Thomas TUFFEY Head M Male 47 Ireland Plasterers Labourer
Margaret TUFFEY Wife M Female 49 Ireland
John TUFFEY Son U Male 19 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Plasterers Labourer
Margaret TUFFEY Daur U Female 16 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Rover At Worsted Spinning Mill C
Thomas TUFFEY Son Male 14 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Rover At Worsted Spinning Mill C
William TUFFEY Son Male 12 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Scholar
Margaret JOICE Cousin Female 20 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Worsted Spinner C
Patrick JOICE Cousin Male 16 Stourbridge, Worcester, England Hanker At Spinning Mill C


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Source Information:
Dwelling 65 Coventry St
Census Place Kidderminster Borough, Worcester, England
Family History Library Film 1341696
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2901 / 77
Page Number 6

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Husband's Name
John TUFFY (AFN:1X0X-4PT) Pedigree

Born: 1835 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, , Ireland
Died: Place: Islandeady, Mayo, Ireland
Married: 2 Feb 1866 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, Ireland

Father: John[Jack] TUFFY (AFN:1X0X-5ZN) Family
Mother: Peggy JOYCE (AFN:1X0X-60T)

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Wife's Name
Margaret CONWAY (AFN:1X0X-4Q2) Pedigree

Born: 1839 Place:
Christened: 15 Oct 1839 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, , Ireland
Died: Place: Islandeady, Mayo, , Ireland
Married: 2 Feb 1866 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, Ireland

Father: John CONWAY (AFN:1X0X-612) Family
Mother: Judy (AFN:1X0X-628)

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M Patrick TUFFY (AFN:1X0X-3F1) Pedigree

Born: 7 Feb 1866 Place: Cashel, Islandeady, Co Mayo, Ireland
Died: 15 Sep 1925 Place: Ny, , Ny

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2. Sex Name
M John TUFFY (AFN:1X0X-4R8) Pedigree

Born: 12 Mar 1867 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, , Ireland

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3. Sex Name
M Thomas TUFFY (AFN:1X0X-4SG) Pedigree

Born: 29 Jul 1868 Place: Islandeady, Mayo, , Ireland
Died: Place: , , , Ireland

Co Mayo seems to be the right place for Tuffy's

THOMAS TUFFY Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 02 OCT 1864 0118, Castlebar, Mayo, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: JOHN TUFFY Family
Mother: MARY BLAKE
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Messages:
An extracted birth or christening record from Irish civil registration records. The place listed is the county, registration district, and page number of the birth entry; it may not be the actual birthplace.

Thomas Tuffy Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 28 JUL 1874 , Mayo, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: Thomas Tuffy Family
Mother: Biddy Bloick
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

AMELIA GLAZZARD Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 APR 1869 Abberley, Worcester, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM GLAZZARD Family
Mother: MARY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record

1881

Mary GLAZZARD Head W Female 33 Bewdley, Worcester, England
William GLAZZARD Boarder U Male 21 Dunley, Worcester, England Creeler At Carpet Works
Alice GLAZZARD Boarder U Female 16 Habberley, Worcester, England Spinner At Carpet Works
William THOMSON Boarder U Male 26 Habberley, Worcester, England Gen Lab
Charles GLAZZARD Son Male 14 Habberley, Worcester, England Wood Turner
Amelia GLAZZARD Daur Female 12 Bewdley, Worcester, England Scholar
Mary GLAZZARD Daur Female 7 Bewdley, Worcester, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Sutton Com Millford Pl
Census Place Kidderminster Foreign, Worcester, England
Family History Library Film 1341696
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2903 / 49
Page Number 7

18871 - Tuffy's in the USA

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
William TUFFY Self M Male W 60 IRE Laborer IRE IRE
Catherine TUFFY Wife M Female W 55 IRE Keeping House IRE IRE
Thomas TUFFY Son S Male W 23 PA Laborer IRE IRE
Anthony TUFFY Son S Male W 20 PA Laborer IRE IRE
Ellen TUFFY Dau S Female W 15 PA At School IRE IRE
Hannah TUFFY Dau S Female W 18 PA In Knitting Mill IRE IRE


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Source Information:
Census Place Pittston, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Family History Library Film 1255150
NA Film Number T9-1150
Page Number 227B

Husband
William Tuffy Pedigree


Birth: , , Ireland
Christening:
Marriage: 06 JUL 1902 Manhattan, New York, New York


Father: John Tuffy Family
Mother: Maggie Conway
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Wife
Ellen Gibbons Pedigree
Birth: , , Ireland
Christening:
Marriage: 06 JUL 1902 Manhattan, New York, New York


Father: Patrick Gibbons Family
Mother: Brigid Flannagan

Hi

Thank you for your reply, I can't believe how many replies I've had already. This is the first time I've used the bulletin board on here. I find GR a little frustrating sometimes, I've sent so many messages to so many people, but I probably only get replies to 1 in 10... but this is much better thank you!

I haven't actually got the birth certificate for John. I just had a look at the BMD on Ancestry.co.uk and I found John Tovey born 1861 in Stourbridge. I know that this is another variation on the name Tuffy. It's quite confusing as there is a family from Kidderminster with the surname Tovey but as far as I am aware there is no obvious connection. I don't think the census entry for Birmingham is the same person as the dates of birth are quite a bit different. The name Joice or Joyce also crops up quite a bit as my Tuffys had cousins with that name (as one of the posts below has discovered).
Thanks again
Kevin

Sorry that last post was to Brummiejan, I thought it would post directly below your post.. I'm just working my way through all of the posts thanks.

Hi Ann of Green Gables
Thank you for all of you're input. The Tuffeys from the 1881 census are my ancestors. I have found them on the census's from 1851 up until 1901 (apart from John & William Tuffy who both seem to disappear after 1891). It's trying to find the family in Ireland which is proving to be tricky.

I found the entry for John (Jack) Tuffy & Peggy Joyce for Islandeady County Mayo for the registration of John Tuffy b1835 when I visited the library in Dublin a few years back. As you can see from the 1881 census you extracted my Tuffys had cousins called Joice, which led me to conclude that the John b1835 in islandeady was the brother of my Thomas Tuffy. I don't know whether this is enough to reach this conclusion, but i felt it was at the time.

I've added a little more detail about the Glazzard side of the family, although they are not blood relations I'm starting to realize that you have to do some research in a round about sort of way sometimes, in order to find what you're really after. I've always neglected to do this in the past. I suppose thinking about it logically somebody out there could be researching the Glazzard line and might be able to tell me something about my ancestor.

Thanks again for all of the info and advice
Regards
Kevin

Thanks again for all of the leads.

well if you put Glazzard into Search Trees top of this page you might find others researching them - you can then contact the tree owner

Thanks again Ann, you have been most helpful. Do you think I was right to conclude that the entry for John (Jack) Tuffy & Peggy Joyce was my ancestor based on the connection to the cousins, or would you have tried to get more proof before reaching this conclusion?
Kevin

Kevin...Who were Thomas and Margaret living with on the 1851 Census..?
There appears to be another child Mary born Dec.1855 Reg.Stourbridge ...Death Reg.June 1857 aged 2 ....I would suggest there may be a others born to the couple given their date of Marriage and the d.o.b of the first child you have listed.....

There are dozens of the Tuffy Surname and variations in the Counties. Mayo /Sligo and Roscommon...

Hi Erin

Thomas was living as a lodger in 1851 he's listed as Tommy Tuffy, there is also a Pat Joyce on the same page, which I think could be an uncle or a cousin, it has Thomas down as being born in 1831, but I have him as being born in 1834 (from marriage certificate), I still tend to think that this is my Thomas though. The family Thomas was living with was called Bourk and they too were from Ireland.

I can't find Margaret on the 1851 census (maybe she wasn't over here by then?).

I never considered that there may be other children, I knew about Mary that died at 2 years old in 1857, but I suppose it is quite a big gap till their next child John Tuffy in 1862. I haven't come across any other children born between 1857 and 1862 and on the 1871 census there is just the 4 children. Other spellings for the name are Tuffey, Toughey, Tuffie.

Thanks for your help, I'm quite overwhelmed at how helpful people have been on this forum, it's great! I've been stuck at this point for years now (I dip in & out of researching it though). I would love to push my research back further than I have already.

Thanks
Kevin

Does anyone know what kind of sources I can use to find traces of my Irish ancestors? I know there was Griffiths Valuation, but I think that this was a little later than I am looking for.

I had thought about getting a name study done, they do them at the Family History centre in Mayo, but I think they are very expensive.

Kevin

Griffiths ...Co Mayo 1848...



Surname First Name Townland Parish County
Following are the exact matches:
Tuffy Catherine Callow Killasser Mayo
Tuffy John Cashel Islandeady Mayo
Tuffy James Cartronmacmanus Killasser Mayo
Tuffy Patrick Carrowmore Killasser Mayo
Tuffy Thomas Tawnagh Beg Templemore Mayo
Tuffy James Tawnagh Beg Templemore Mayo
Tuffy Thomas Lagakilleen Drum Mayo
Tuffy Thomas Gweeshadan Drum Mayo
Tuffy John Cloonconragh East Ballyhean Mayo
Tuffy Patrick Bohaun, North Ballintober Mayo
Tuffy John Drumcorrabaun Drum Mayo
Tuffy John Gweeshadan Drum Mayo
Tuffy John Walshpool Drum Mayo
Tuffy Michael Bohaun, North Ballintober Mayo

Thanks Christine

Is there anything I can tie that up to to get more information about date of birth etc..?
Kevin