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Hi everyone - I'm in need of a little help again please!

I'm looking for the wife of Henry Walford, born c1818, died DecQ 1872 Wolverhampton.

I have them in the 1851 census - ref HO107/2018/53/24 - living in Pountney's Fold Wolverhampton. Henry's wife is named as Elizabeth.

I can find them on all the censuses up to and including 1871 for Henry (died 1872) and for Elizabeth up to 1891 - she died in 1893 a pauper and a lunatic (lol) in Wolverhampton Union Workhouse.

What I CAN"T find for the life of me is any trace of them before 1851. On the census, Henry is shown as born in Penn Staffordshire, and Elizabeth born in Wolverhampton c 1821.

I've searched the marriage indexes, and can only come up with one possible bride; Elizabeth FRANCIS. Marriage took place Wolverhampton DecQ 1850 (ref: Wolverhampton 17 430) - so theoretically I SHOULD be able to find either or both in that area in 1841. Brick wall time!

Also - I can't find any trace of birth of either in any parish records or on the IGI.

Can anyone out there shed any light please?

Many thanks

Lynne

PS - I'm ordering the marriage cert as soon as I've finished typing this....

DUHHHHH - I am so STUPID tonight. Why don't I send for their son's birth cert - I have the details and it will confirm his mother's maiden name........

Still need help finding Henry before 1851 though please!!

Lynne

tree on ancestry confirms your suspicion that Elizabeht was Elizabeth Francis
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?tid=2633278&pid=-1780198765

this looks like Henry's christening
Name: Henry Walford
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Aug 1817
Christening Place: Penn, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: William Walford
Mother's Name: Rebecca

Thanks Victoria.

Lynne

Hi Victoria

I just checked out that link you gave me - it's definitely the same family. My Henry and his sons are on that tree as well. And to clinch it is Elizabeth as a pauper in the Workhouse - although they are not so forthcoming about the lunatic bit!!!

Anyway, I've sent the tree owner a message, so hopefully he will get back to me, and we can swap info.

Quick query - where did you find the info for Henry's christening? I thought I'd looked everywhere!

Thanks for your help.

Lynne

the christening comes up in ancestry in the England and Wales christening records 1530-1906

also www.familysearch.org
Batch Number: C010283


International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6
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1. HENRY WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1817 Penn, Stafford, England
2. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 NOV 1821 Penn, Stafford, England
3. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England
4. EDWARD WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1823 Penn, Stafford, England
5. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England
6. WILLIAM WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1820 Penn, Stafford, England

Hi Victoria (in case you are still reading this!)

Had a pm from Michael with this info:

New message to Lynne---siblings--of henry--just in case

From MichaelResults for: Stafford, England, British Isles
Father: William Walford, Mother: Rebbeca
Exact Spelling: Off
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International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 12
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1. HENRY WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1817 Penn, Stafford, England

2. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 11 DEC 1821

3. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 NOV 1821 Penn, Stafford, England

4. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 18 NOV 1832

5. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England

6. EDWARD WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1823 Penn, Stafford, England

7. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 06 NOV 1824

8. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England

9. WILLIAM WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1820 Penn, Stafford, England

10. CAROLINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England

11. MARY ANN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England

12. JANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 FEB 1819 Penn, Stafford, England

And also this from Michael:

New message to Lynne-??????-Poss-Marriage-?????-you must check-!

From MichaelIGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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WILLIAM WALFORD Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: REBECCA TRANTER Family
Marriage: 08 SEP 1816 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M010723 1796 - 1817


Thank you both for your help with this

Lynne

UPDATE

I've just received Jospeh Walford's birth certificate - and his mother is shown as Elizabeth Walford formerly COOPER.

So - out goes Elizabeth Francis - and now I need to find a marriage for Henry Walford to Elizabeth Cooper. Back to the drawing board.....

Lynne
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Just been having a look at your thread.

There's a 'man' missing from this marriage record - could be Henry Walford .....

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
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APPLEBY John Wolverhampton 17 380
Baker Mary Ann Wolverhampton 17 380
CARELESS Henry Wolverhampton 17 380
**************Cooper Elizabeth Wolverhampton 17 380
Jeavons Mary Wolverhampton 17 380
Lockett Eliza Wolverhampton 17 380
Meakin John Wolverhampton 17 380
Mittonnette Frederick Wolverhampton 17 380
PUGH Susannah Wolverhampton 17 380

Wilma

Hi Wilma - thanks for that. I'm going to try and find Elizabeth on the 1841 census - the first child of the marriage was born about 1851, so that marriage you found could be the one.

Will post later if I find anything!

Lynne
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Do you already have this information?

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Walford
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Relative (Other Relative)
Gender: Male
Where born: Penn, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth Cooper 53
Thos Cooper 22
Henry Walford 32
Elizth Walford 30

Wilma -

THANK YOU for a fresh pair of eyes - I should have worked that one out for myself....

I have Henry and Elizabeth on the 1851 census right through to both their deaths, and never even considered looking at who they were living with!! I suppose I had got so fixed on her being Elizabeth Francis that the details on the 1851 had slipped by me!

That's solved that little mystery. Now for the marriage....

Lynne
x

Just had a look at my 1851 census - should have guessed! Henry is shown as a Relative, and both Elizabeth Cooper and Elizabeth Walford are shown as Washerwoman - must have been a family business!

Off now to collect grandchild from school - then I'll be doing my own washing!! (lol)

Back later to search for marriage.

Lynne
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posting for info

1851
Elizth Walford
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England

1861

Elisbeth Walford
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 105
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Walford 43
Elisbeth Walford 40
Thomas Walford 10
Henry Walford 7
Joseph Walford 4
George Walford 5 Mo

1871

Elizabeth Walford
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Walford 53
Elizabeth Walford 49
Thomas Walford 19
Joseph Walford 18
George Walford 10

could be her birth

ELIZABETH COOPER Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 AUG 1821 Saint Peter Or Collegiate, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM COOPER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C010203

this is where the Elizabeth Francis came from
(just for info)
Henry Walford
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 17
Page: 430


Mary Davis 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
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Elizabeth Francis 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Enoch Haywood 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Benjamin Hughes 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Joseph Partridge 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Henry Walford 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Matilda Walker 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Sarah Wood 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

Hi Victoria - thank you for getting back on the case!! The census records you have are the ones I have - nice to get corroboration!

The birth looks likely - I've been searching as well, and can't find another that's as good a match.

As for the marriage - well.

The only likely marriage coming up for Henry Walford from 1837 through to 1851 is the one to Elizabeth Francis in 1850. So, I've searched for a possible marriage for Elizabeth Cooper to someone called Francis - nothing showing from 1837 onwards.

I'd already sent for the marriage cert of Henry Walford and Elizabeth Francis believing it was the right one - hopefully it will arrive tomorrow, and I can see if she was married before, or even if she was actually called Elizabeth Francis Cooper!! (But wouldn't that be Frances - female version?). In the meantime, if you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them!

Thanks again

Lynne
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not having any luck finding them in 1841

Me neither. If Elizabeth was born in 1821, she would have been 20ish in 1841 - so could have been living away from her family as a servant or something. I'll have a look at that now.

Can't find Henry Walford ANYWHERE!!!

Lynne