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can any one help or advise me what to do next.
i have a Thomas Warman born 1845 Manchester.
hes on the 1891 census living with this wife Sarah , daughter Hephzibah, his brother George and his niece Mary living at 2 Crown Street Brentwood.
Thomas is not on the 1901 census and his wife is down as a widow, but i cant find the census i printed of.
Thomas"s daughter married in 1899 to Nememiah Bacon and Thomas is on the certificate but doesnt say hes deceased so must have been alive.
ive checked all buriel records for Brentwood but Thomas is not there.

what can i do next to find him please

Just because it doesn't say deceased on the marriage certificate, don't assume that he is still alive.
I am sure that many of us have certs which seem to suggest the father is alive, when we know for sure he isn't. When asked what is your fathers name and occupation? The answer would be given, but unless they were specifically asked if he was still alive, some children missed the point.

When you say "i cant find the census i printed of.", what do you mean?

1891 but no wife there
Name: Thomas Warman
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Brentwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Brentwood
Town: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Warman 47
George Warman 54
Hepzibah Warman 15
Mary Warman 8


correction Sarah is there, just missed of the transcription because she is out of place at the top of the family

Marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
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Bacon Nehemiah Billericay 4a 831
Warman Hepzibah Florence Billericay 4a 831


1901, using her middle name.

1901 England Census
about Nehemiah Bacon
Name: Nehemiah Bacon
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Florence
Gender: Male
Where born: Warley, Essex, England

Civil parish: East Wickham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: East Wickham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Nehemiah Bacon 24 Gravedigger
Florence Bacon 26
Ivy Bacon 1
Percy Bacon 10d
Sarah Bacon 60 Mother in law
Fred Bacon 24 brother


Andy

Family from 1911 census index

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD BACON DAISY F 1904 7 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD BACON F FLORENCE F 1876 35 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD BACON IVY F 1899 12 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD BACON LILLY F 1906 5 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD BACON WINNIE F 1908 3 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD BACON NEHEMIAH M 1875 36 Dartford Kent


and possible children born after census

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Bacon Richard S Warman Dartford 2a 1196

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Bacon Phoebe Warman Dartford 2a 1224


Andy

hi many thanks for info, the 1901 census thats not my Sarah as she should have been down as Warman mother in law.
that Sarah Brown must have been Nehemiah mother.
some thing i didnt now was the 2 possible other children but that sound right if the mothers name is down as Warman.
still at a loss of how to find a death date for Thomas can only think he left Sarah and moved to where there was work as hes down as a labourer on the 1891 census. but even then hes should be down some where as a death.
on the 1901 i found Sarah Warman widow down as a visitor at 66, Upper North Street Poplar London.
thanks again

hi dorothy
deaths seam to be particularly hard to trace , I am having the sametrouble with my great grandmother, although I have found a possible (but not probable) second marriage , perhaps this might be the same for ou ancestors .

This is the Findmypast version. It gives an idea how the family moved about a bit.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: BACON, Nehemiah
Address: 9, Orchard Road, East Wickham
BACON, Nehemiah Head Married M 29 1872 Grave Digger
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, Florence Wife Married F 26 1875
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
BACON, Ivy Daughter Single F 1 1900
Manor Park
Essex VIEW
BACON, Percy Son M 0 (10 DAYS) 1901
Welling
Kent VIEW
BACON, Sarah Mother-In-Law Widow F 60 1841
South Weald
Essex VIEW
BACON, Fred Brother Single M 24 1877 General Labourer
Warley
Essex

Nehemiah's mother is Jane unless she is using a middle name.


1881 census - household transcription
Person: BACON, Nehemiah
Address: Cemetery Lodge, South Weald

BACON, Nehemiah Head Married M 61 1820 Sexton Warley Cemetery
Wickham Bishops
Essex VIEW
BACON, Jane Wife Married F 43 1838
Gravesend
Kent VIEW
BACON, Phoebe J Daughter Single F 14 1867 Domestic Servant
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, George G Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, Mary A Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, William Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, Nehemiah Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Warley
Essex VIEW
BACON, Jeremiah Son Single M 2 1879
Warley
Essex

confimed by

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BACON, Nehemiah
Address: Cemetry Road, South Weald
BACON, Nehemiah Head Married M 71 1820 Grave Digger
Wickham Bishops
Essex VIEW
BACON, Jane Wife Married F 52 1839
Gravesend
Kent VIEW
BACON, William Son Single M 17 1874 Firework Maker
South Weald
Essex VIEW
BACON, Nehemiah Son Single M 15 1876 Labourer
South Weald
Essex VIEW
BACON, Frederick Son Single M 12 1879 Errand Boy
South Weald
Essex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BACON, Nehemiah
Address: Warley Road The Cemetery Lodge, South Weald
BACON, Nehemiah Head M 51 1820 Essex VIEW
BACON, Jane Wife F 40 1831 Kent VIEW
BACON, Phoebe J Daughter F 4 1867 Essex VIEW
BACON, Geo G Son M 2 1869 Essex VIEW
BACON, Mary A Daughter F 0 1871 Essex

Although Thomas was born in Manchester his parents were both from Essex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: WARMAN, Thomas
Address: The Grange, Ingrave

WARMAN, Robert Head M 53 1818 Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Charlotte Wife F 55 1816 Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Thomas Son M 23 1848 Lancashire VIEW
WARMAN, Sarah Daughter-In-Law F 26 1845 Essex

1881 census - household transcription
Person: WARMAN, Thomas
Address: Common Road, Ingrave

WARMAN, Samuel Head Married M 32 1849 Ag Lab
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Martha Wife Married F 31 1850
Hutton
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Emma Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Alfred Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, William Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Edward Son Single M 2 1879
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Alice Daughter Single F 1 1880
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Thomas Brother Married M 35 1846 Ag Lab
Manchester
Lancashire

This is the one you found
1901 census - household transcription
Person: WARMAN, Sarah
Address: 66, Upper North Street, Poplar
BRANCH, Annie Head Widow F 57 1844 General Shop
Poplar
London VIEW
BRANCH, George Son Single M 21 1880 Coachman
Poplar
London VIEW
WARMAN, Sarah Visitor Widow F 65 1836 Living On Means
Poplar
London

but in 1891 Sarah is born brentwood


1891 census - household transcription
Person: WARMAN, Sarah
Address: 2, Crown Street, Brentwood

.WARMAN, Thomas Head Married M 47 1844 General Labourer
Manchester VIEW
WARMAN, Sarah Wife Married F 53 1838
Brentwood
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, George Brother Widower M 54 1837 General Labourer
Ireland VIEW
WARMAN, Hephzibah Daughter F 15 1876
Ingrave
Essex VIEW
WARMAN, Mary Niece F 8 1883 Scholar
Ingrave
Essex

I think it is highly likely that Sarah on the 1901 census that Andrew posted is your Sarah. The relationship is to the head of the house.

Last year on an electral roll I listed my daughter (who was married but seperated and back home) with her maiden name. So mistakes happen.

Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
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WARMAN Sarah 56 Dartford 2a 269


possible

That would make her birth 1851 though.

thank you all for your help, will now print all the info of and go through it .
Sarah was born in 1838 as i have her birth certificate as i neaded that to find out her maiden name which was Taylor.
so if she died in 1907 would make her 69.
only way to find out is to send for her death certificate and hope for the best.
i may have to do the same with Thomas find one death date and hope for the best that its him
isnt it funny how you get stuck on one person, yet i found details about an ancestor on my husbands side quite easy.
also found details for a cousin about birhs, deaths, marriages.
but one of my own still remains a mystery.
thanks again

just thought ide bring you up to date with a death date for Thomas Warman.
got his certificate the other day and he died on 7th October 1929 aged 84 so can at last draw a line under Thomas.
he died in a nursing home from an ulcer on his face.
just seems funny to me that the 1901 census has his wife Sarah down as a widow.
the informant on the death certificate was H F Bacon daughter which is right as he only had 1 daughter Hephzibah Florence who married a Nememiah Bacon in 1899.
so i got there at last.
thanks for all the help you have given me