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Hi, just wondering if someone could offer some knowledge perhaps. Using staffordshire bmd I searched for all marriages of Joseph Shallcross to Frances Cotrell. Intriguingly, two entries come up both for St Lawerence, Biddulph one in 1848 and one in 1898. (the one in 1898 being my 2 great grand parents). I am just wondering what the possibilites are they were related. I have tried looking for a Joseph and Frances Shallcross living together on the 1851 census etc. with no success though obviously they will be there somewhere. If anyone could shed any light on this then i would be really grateful

Janette :) x

P.S. What's more both Joseph's fathers were also both named Joseph

I'd say it is likely that they are perhps cousins.

On saying that I can only see the 1898 marriage on Ancestry and not the 1848.

Kath. x

Groom's Name: Joseph Shallcross
Groom's Birth Date: 1874
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 24
Bride's Name: Frances Cottrell
Bride's Birth Date: 1876
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 22 Sep 1898
Marriage Place: Biddulph, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Shallcross
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Alfred Cottrell
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02090-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1278828
Reference Number: p 222 n 443
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Groom's Name: Joseph Shallcross
Groom's Birth Date: 1826
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 22
Bride's Name: Frances Cottrell
Bride's Birth Date: 1829
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 19
Marriage Date: 10 Oct 1848
Marriage Place: Biddulph, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Shallcross
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Cottrell
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02090-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1278828
Reference Number: p 164 n 327
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Hmm yes maybe so, I definately think this one is going to take some panning out though! The 1848 wedding took place on Oct 10 according to Pilot family search.

Thanks Kath :)

Yes, that will be them Safc thanks :)

Janette x

:/ This is becoming increasingly frustrating! I cannot find Joseph and Frances Shallcross (the ones who married in 1848) on the census' if anyone could help, I would be extremely grateful.

Janette x

Where have you been searching for them?

Name: Joseph Shallcross
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances Shallcross
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Biddulph
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shallcross 35
Frances Shallcross 30
John Shallcross 11
William Shallcross 8
Maria Shallcross 6
Martha Shallcross 4
Joseph Shallcross 1 MO
Emeon Mountford 66


Name: Joseph Shalcross
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances Shalcross
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Biddulph
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Bradley Green
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shalcross 45
Frances Shalcross 40
John Shalcross 21
William Shalcross 18
George Shalcross 6
Joseph Shalcross 6 Months
Marid Shalcross 16
Mather Shalcross 14

Christine

1881 England Census
about Joseph Shallcross
Name: Joseph Shallcross
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances Shallcross
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Biddulph
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Tunstall Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shallcross 54
Frances Shallcross 50
Martha Shallcross 24
George Shallcross 16
Joseph Shallcross 10
Roland Hill Shallcross 4


1891 England Census
about Joseph Shallcross
Name: Joseph Shallcross
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances Shallcross
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: St Lawrence
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Bradley Green
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:


Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shallcross 64
Frances Shallcross 66
Marther Evans 33
Rowland Hill Shallcross 14
Frances Shallcross 3

Christine

FRANCES SHALLCROSS Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 FEB 1822 Ingestre, Stafford, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SHALLCROSS Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

1881

Joseph SHALLCROSS Head M Male 54 Biddulph, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Frances SHALLCROSS Wife M Female 50 Biddulph, Stafford, England Wife
Martha SHALLCROSS Daur U Female 24 Biddulph, Stafford, England Fustian Cutter
George SHALLCROSS Son U Male 16 Biddulph, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Joseph SHALLCROSS Son U Male 10 Biddulph, Stafford, England Scholar
Roland Hill SHALLCROSS Son U Male 4 Biddulph, Stafford, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Tunstall Road
Census Place Biddulph, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341846
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3535 / 152
Page Number 3

Hi Christine, I been used Genes but i understand ancestry has a bigger collection? Maybe if I look now I will find them. A great thanks to you and Ann for all this wonderful information :)

Janette x

They were all from Ancestry.

The search facility is much better than GR because you can search with Christian names only or Shal* whereas you have to use a full surname on GR.

The baptism Ann posted won't be Frances as she was Cottrell before marriage.

Christine