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I'm trying to find someone on the behalf of extended family.

The family story is that Eleanor Alice Clapton died while still a child. The problem is I can't find a death for her.

She was born in Mile End in 1911. Her parents were James & Rose Clapton. They were living in Mile End at the time of the census but Eleanor wasn't born yet so of course she doesn't appear on the census.

What else could have happened to her. The lady whom I'm looking into this for is my third cousin and she remembers her gran's other siblings but only knows of this one by name and was told that she died as a child.

Unfortunately great aunt Lily is no longer with us to ask.

Hope someone has some idea's.

Thanks
Gypsyjoe

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Eleanor A Clapton
Name: Eleanor A Clapton
Spouse Surname: Orpwood
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1937
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 308

Could this be her?

Are you sure she not on 1911 census??

HOUSEHOLD CLAPTON ELEANOR ALICE F 1911 7 WEEKS Mile End Old Town London

Don't have a sub to check

Andy

Following on from Andy

1911
CLAPTON, Charles Leonard Head Married M 25 1886 French Polisher London Mile End VIEW
CLAPTON, Eleanor Alice Wife Married
2 years F 21 1890 London Stepney VIEW
CLAPTON, Eleanor Alice Daughter Single F 0 (7 WEEKS) 1911 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1644 Reference:
RG14PN1644 RG78PN57 RD21 SD2 ED28 SN74

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town North Eastern Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
40 Rhodeswell Road Mile End E

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Clapton Eleanor A Mile End 1c 368


Old enough to be on 1911 census



Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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CLAPTON Charles Leonard Bethnal Green 1c 287
DOBSON Eleanor Alice Bethnal G. 1c 287
RADLEY Caroline Bethnal G. 1c 287
SCHAFER Ernest John Bethnal G. 1c 287

??
Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Clapton James George Mile End 1c 559
Macdonald Wallace Whitt Mile End 1c 559
Whittard Gertrude Ida Mile End 1c 559
Wilson Rose Elizabeth Mile End 1c 559

Would this be your Aunt Lily and siblings

HOUSEHOLD CLAPTON FREDRICK M 1904 7 Mile End Old Town London
HOUSEHOLD CLAPTON HARRY M 1905 6 Mile End Old Town London
HOUSEHOLD CLAPTON LILIAN F 1908 3 Mile End Old Town London
HOUSEHOLD CLAPTON WILLIAM M 1902 9 Mile End Old Town London

and their parents marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Clapton James George Mile End 1c 559
Wilson Rose Elizabeth Mile End 1c 559

I can't see any other Clapton/Wilson births after 1911


Andy

Could be James and Charles are brothers

1891 England Census
about James Claxton Name: James Claxton
[James Clapton]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Claxton
Mother's name: Eliza Claxton
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Anthony
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 306
Folio: 98
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Claxton 40
Eliza Claxton 32
Jane Claxton 17
Hannah Claxton 13
Annie Claxton 8
>>>>Charles Claxton 5
>>>>James Claxton 3
Vellie Claxton 1



Andy

Helen - She was supposed to have died so I can't see her getting married.

Andy - on the one I checked she didn't appear but I like you don't have subs to double check I need to wait till ancestry has it on and then when the archives are next open on a Saturday before I could double check.

Glitterbaby - seeing that makes me wonder this Eleanor had different parents I wonder if the child may have lived with it's grandparents then for a time and that is why Lily though she was a sister and instead of dying she went back to her parents.

I have Rose's and James's marriage both were widowed before marriage to each other.

Andy - those are the other siblings born to Rose and James.

brummiejan - yes that's the family.

It was from Lilian that we were told aboout Eleanor.

?????? not sure if 0 means died at birth or before aged 1 year

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Eleanor Clapton Name: Eleanor Clapton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 102 (click to see others on page)

Vera

0 on a death certificate means below the age of 1


But this might be that Eleanor's birth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Eleanor Clapton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 124




sylvia

Thanks Sylvia. I'll make a mental note.

Vera

Thanks PigletsPal - I guess the reasoning to believing the fact that she died as a child was because none of her nieces or nephews ever met her and they are all under the understanding that she died as a child.

Sylvia and Vera thanks for those. I guess I'll go back to the family and re-question them.

Thanks again all.

Piglet´s Pal.
The story may well have more truth to it than you think.
My grandfather was a gold engraver & apparently at the end of each day, the gold leaf was swept up from the floors & weighed. If the weight of the sweepings plus what had been used didn´t tally, the workers were under suspicion of stealing it. Can´t imagine that it would have had a very high value, but wages in the jewellery trade were very low & I suppose every little helped.
Marion

Marion, According to The Museum in The Jewellery Quarter in Birmingham, men were not allowed to wear trousers with turn-ups, just in case any gold dust got caught in them.

Tess

Hi Tess.
Yes, had heard that one too.
Hope you´re keeping well.
Marion

On that 1911 image are:
James Clapton 68
Rose Clapton 42
Arthur Clapton 18
William Clapton 9
Frederick Clapton 7
Harry Clapton 6
Lilian Clapton 3

and then

Edward Wilson Step son 12
Florence Wilson (? cant read it ) 15 step daughter
Matilda Wilson 11 Stepdaughter

so Rose was married before?

Jan

Yes Jan to Thomas Wilson he was run over by his cart apparently . It would appear Thomas managed to get Rose Preggers before he died though he may not have known sadly.