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hi everyone I am hoping someone with knowledge of crewe can help.
ok Cheshire bmd have records down as ,
crewe1 1882-1920.
crewe 2 1937-1971.
crewe borough 1920-1937.
here is my problem my ggrandfather was born 1874,on the 1881 census his mum had his birth as crewe,but on the 1891 census he is down as being born in Wrexham?
now I do not need a look up but advise as to were to look for his birth as the crewe records do not start till 1882,did it come under another name or am I being thick.
any advice would be most welcome,
thank you sue.
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http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ ?
If you click on the reg district, it'll lead you to a page showing the areas within it.
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will take a look thanks detective
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If you go to the ChesBMD births coverage page:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/birthcov.php
and take the "Registrars' Sub-Districts" link in the first line, and then search for "Crewe" on that page, you'll see it was part of Wybunbury Sub-District thru 1882q2.
Back on the coverage page, one finds:
Sub-District Years Operative Registers at Code Years indexed
Wybunbury 1837-1882 Cheshire East CR 1837-1882
Crewe (1) 1882-1920 Cheshire East CR 1882-1920
Crewe Borough 1920-1937 Cheshire East CR 1920-1937
Crewe (2) 1937-1971 Cheshire East CR 1937-1963
so Crewe has been covered until mid 1963
If we follow DetEcTive's advice, and get a hit in Nantwich, say some John b 1874 - here's the first hit:
Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
Allcock John Nantwich 8a 335
If we click on the "Nantwich" link, then the more info "here" link, we get:
NANTWICH REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Cheshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (to become part of Crewe and West Cheshire registration districts).
Sub-districts : Bunbury (1837-1915) ; Crewe (1881-1920) ; Crewe Borough (1920-37) ; Haslington (1920-37) ; Malpas (1935-37) ; Nantwich (1837-1937) ; Wrenbury (1837-1937) ; Wybunbury (1837-81).
GRO volumes : XIX (1837-51), 8a (1852-1937).
Registers currently held at : Cheshire East and Cheshire West & Chester.
with a list of civil parishes in the rego district.
NB There seem to be no changes in 1882, so the change from Wybunbury to Crewe subdistricts just seems to be a non-functional name change.
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There are alternative ways of guessing which subdistrict a birth might be rego'ed in.
Suppose I have your guy's family living in Crewe or nearby in 1871.
Looking at the census image, off in the margin there's a PRO copyright slip with (I guess) RG10/3711 printed on it.
RG10 refers to the 1871 census - 3711 is piece number within that census. We can look this up as RG10/3711 at:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ and get:
RG 10 - General Register Office: 1871 Census Returns
Registration District 451.NANTWICH
Reference: RG 10/3711
Description:
Registration Sub-District 1D Wybunbury.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Crewe. *****************
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Doddington.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Lea.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Walgherton.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Haslington.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Hatherton.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Hunsterson.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Rope.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Shavington cum Gresty.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Warmingham.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Willaston.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Wistaston.
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Wybunbury (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2837 and 3711).
Civil Parish, Township or Place: Weston
[NB 1841 census are a bit difft - there the slip will say e.g., ho107/123/4 - the 4 is a book number, but we should just look up the rest, i.e., ho107/123.]
We could also do an advanced search for "Nantwich" within refs rg10, rg11, rg12 and get the piece #s assigned to the various subdistricts on Bantwich in the 1871-1891 censuses.:
NANTWICH RD RG10
Wybunbury 3708-3711
Nantwich 3712-3713
Bunbury 3714-3715
Wrenbury 3716
NANTWICH RD RG11
Wybunbury 3539-3545
Nantwich 3546-3548
Bunbury 3549-3550
Wrenbury 3551
NANTWICH RD RG12
Crewe 2849-2854
Nantwich 2855-2856
Bunbury 2857
Wrenbury 2858
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Although one can use ChesBMD to see which subdistict a birth (or death) is rego'ed in, here's a way to do it in other RDs.
Background.
Births & Deaths are reo'ed at the subdistrict offices (and marrs at the wedding venue).
At the end of each quarter, the subdistrict registrars have a copy made of the Bs & Ds in that quarter.
These copies are made on special forms for the GRO - initially all forms had twice as many entries per page as the local pages.
This was halved to 2 entries per page for marrs in 1852q1, and 5 entries per page for Bs & Ds in 1911q3.
When the copies had been checked by the district superintendent, they were shipped off to the GRO who bound and indexed them.
Marrs were similar, except the church would send a copy to the local RD which were checked and retained.
The local RD would make copies of these and also its regos which contained rego office marrs, and marrs held by non-conformists who had not been authorized to keep an official marr rego who needed a registrar to attend with an official rego for the couple to sign.
When these copies had been checked they were sent to the GRO.
Now lets take 1974q1 Nantwich as our wxample.
I claim the page distribution over the subdistricts is:
Wybunbury 317-351
Nantwich 353-361
Bunbury 363-368
Wrenbury 369-373
In this Cheshire case, we can verify this.
But how can one find this in general?
First, from the FreeBMD home page, take the Information link, then look ar Page Ranges, and find:
Type Year Quarter Volume Lowest-Highest Before/After Gaps Total
Births 1874 Mar 8a 317-373 2,1 2 1073
Next, get FreeBMD to list all the 1974q1 births in Nantwich.
The subdistrict order for Bs & Ds seems to follow the census piece # order
Then, on the listings page, do finds of all the even pages in the range 317-373.
All we're concerned about is the number of find hits - mostly it will be 10 hits.
It's the deficient counts were interested in, which are
352 - 0 hits
362 - 0 hits
368 - 4 hits
We will only end a subdistrict with a complete even page when the number of births in that subdistict is a multiple of 20 - roughly a 5% chance.
Roughly, half the time we will end on an odd page, so the back of that page will have 0 entries.
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Here are the boundary pages (with the local ref appended).
Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
Bayley Sarah Jane Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/038
Butler Sarah Ann Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/037 [1873]
Gasking Eliza Ann Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/038
Morris George Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/038
Powell George Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/039
Sumner Emma Elizabeth Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/039
White Frances Ann Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/037 [1873]
Williamson Annie Elizabeth Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/039
Woolfenden Ada Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/038
Woolrich William Nantwich 8a 317 CR/47/038
BIRCHALL William John Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/006
BROOKS Samuel Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/005
Leech Thomas Edward Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/006
ROBINSON George Albert Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/005
ROGERS Thursea Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/006
Sandham Mary Nantwich 8a 351 CR/48/006
Page 352 is blank
ASHTON George Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/053 [1873]
Church Tom Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/054
DUTTON Joseph Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/054
Hockenhull Walter Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/054
Morris Thomas Bourne Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/053
O'HARA Ann Jane Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/054
Palin Martha Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/054
PARTRIDGE Mary Jane Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/055
PETERS John Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/053 [1873]
TOMKINSON William Nantwich 8a 353 NA/24/053 [1873]
CARTWRIGHT William Nantwich 8a 361 NA/24/069
DEAN Martha Nantwich 8a 361 NA/24/069
Prince William Nantwich 8a 361 WR/16/070
Stockton Margaret Nantwich 8a 361 [image says 364]
Page 362 is blank
BEECH George Thomas Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/061
Boffey Samuel Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/060 [1873]
DONE Frances Ann Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/062
Harding Robert Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/060 [1873]
Jackson Fred Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/061
ROGERSON Sarah Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/060
SMITH Jane Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/060 [1873]
Taylor John Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/061
Wade Mary Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/061
Williamson Mary Ann Nantwich 8a 363 BU/20/061
Cluett Leonard Reuben Nantwich 8a 368 BU/20/070
EDGE Henry Nantwich 8a 368 BU/20/070
Faulkner Ann Nantwich 8a 368 BU/20/070
THREADGOLD George Nantwich 8a 368 BU/20/070
Bebbington Thomas Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/047
CONWAY Mary Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/046
Hall Frederick John Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/047
HAND John Henry Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/046
Harding Alice Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/047
HASSALL Richard Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/046
Lea Agnes Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/046
Ratcliff Annie Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/045 [1873]
TWISS Mary Elizabeth Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/045 [1873]
VERNON Catherine Nantwich 8a 369 WR/16/046
Baffey George Nantwich 8a 373 [double indexed - transcription difficulties]
Boffey George Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/054
CHALLINOR Alfred Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/054
EVANSON Levi Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/054
EVANSON Samuel Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/054
King Joseph Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/053
McDonald Sydney James Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/055
RIGBY Alice May D Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/055
Wright Charles Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/054
Young Arthur Nantwich 8a 373 WR/16/053
Note ChesBMD indexes by year of birth, not by yeear of rego
Most local refs have 3 parts:
1) a church or subdistrict code
2) a register sequence # within that code
3) an entry or page $ (most rego's have 500 entries). Entry #s are usually used for marrs - so one knows who wed whom.
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thanks mgnv I will study this after tea
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