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Help with a 25-year-old brick wall

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Slartibartfast

Slartibartfast Report 29 Aug 2019 16:08

Hi Folks,
I have been dipping in and out with this for over 25 years and still can't find anything. Knowing how resourceful you lot are, I thought I'd throw it out there and see what happens.
It concerns my Great Grandmother - Georgina Florence DASH
I cannot find anything on her prior to the 1891 census. It's as though she and her family (if any) didn't exist. Here's what I know;

1891 census - age 22 born Holborn single
1901 census - age 32 born St Pancras married
1911 census - age 42 born Holborn married

Marriage; 13th April 1892 to Walter John TULIT in Bloomsbury, London
She was a spinster, Father - George DASH (deceased) an Engineer.

I know everything about her from 1891 but would love to find something before then. I cannot find a birth record, nor anything about her parents or possible siblings. Perhaps she was found in a cabbage patch!!

She had 12 children and none of us descendants know anything about her early life.

Thanking you in anticipation.

S

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 16:47

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Northampton Road, St James, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Dash Head - Male 38 1833 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Emma Dash Wife - Female 37 1834 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
Charles Dash Son - Male 14 1857 - Holborn, Middlesex, England
Georgine Dash Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Middlesex, England <<<<<<

<<< Place of birth reads ? Grange by -------??

Charles occupation reads ?? Stoker

Large gap between children

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:02

Looks to be Charles in 1881 - different wife, no Georgina

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
40, Clerkenwell Close, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Dash Head Married Male 47 1834 Stoker Brighton, Sussex, England
Maria Dash Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Samuel Dash Son Single Male 10 1871 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Arthur Smedley Stepson Single Male 21 1860 Porter St Luke's, Middlesex, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:03

Deaths Mar 1878 (>99%)
DASH Emma 43 Holborn 1b 502

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Aug 2019 17:04

No penalties for not registering births prior to 1875

It may be that she wasn't 'Dash' at birth

As I'm sure you are aware, 'deceased' fathers were sometimes fabricated

Address given when marrying : 18 Upper Montague Mews, which was also her groom's address, so probably given as a matter of convenience, to save paying for two sets of Banns

Name: Georgina Florence Dash
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1869
Marriage Date: 30 Apr 1892
Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Father: George Dash
Spouse: Walter John Tulit

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:06

Consensus seems to be Charles Dash and Maria Tindley who appear on both reg's !!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
CARTER George Lovell Bethnal Green 1c 495
DASH Charles Bethnal Green 1c 495
RUTHERFORD Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 495
Tindley Maria Emilie Bethnal Green 1c 495

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
CLARK John George Bethnal Green 1c 434
DASH Charles Bethnal Green 1c 434
PETCH Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 434
TINDLEY Maria Bethnal Green 1c 434

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Aug 2019 17:10

I can't find either a Georgina Florence ? or ? Dash in Holborn district anywhere between 1860 & 1800

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:14

Name: Charles Dash
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Jun 1878
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Samuel Dash
Spouse: Maria Tindley
Register Type: Parish Register

The June reg. from image - so a few names to sort !!

9.6.1878 Widow and widower , both of full age and of Bethnal Green. He's a Stoker. Charles' Father - Samuel Clark Deceased
Maria - Edward Phillips deceased
Witnesses - Maria Emilie Tindley and C Dash

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and the Dec. reg

Name: Charles Dash
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Nov 1878
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Charles Dash
Spouse: Maria Emilie Tindley
Register Type: Parish Register

From image - Bachelor and spinster of full age.

He's a Polisher.
Both of Bethnal Green
Charles Father - Charles Dash a Stoker
Marie's Father - William Henry Tindley Deceased.
Witnesses - Maria Dash and George Lovell Carter

Looks like marriages of Father and Son Charles Dash

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Aug 2019 17:17

For our info 1891


Alexander Eager Head Married Male 49 1842 Caretaker Job Masters Scotland
Helen Eager Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Scotland
Helen J Eager Daughter Single Female 13 1878 - Hampshire, England
Agnes Eager Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Aldershot, Hampshire, England
Georgina Dash Visitor Single Female 22 1869 Housemaid Domestic Servant - Holborn

As she was a 'visitor' one assumes the family knew her, so perhaps there was some connection?

EAGER, ELLEN JANE BULGER
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 108

EAGER, - BULGER
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 110

safc

safc Report 29 Aug 2019 17:20

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Wolfes Buildings, Ridgmount Street, Bloomsbury, St Giles, London & Middlesex, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alexander Eager Head Married Male 49 1842 Caretaker Job Masters Scotland
Helen Eager Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Scotland
Helen J Eager Daughter Single Female 13 1878 - Hampshire, England
Agnes Eager Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Aldershot, Hampshire, England
Georgina Dash Visitor Single Female 22 1869 Housemaid Domestic Servant -

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:29

???
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
Dash Georgina Florence St. Giles 1b 1010 99%)
Dash Georgina Florence St. Giles 1b 1010
Hanks Henry John St. Giles 1b 1010
HOUNSLOW Clara St. Giles 1b 1010
Tulit Walter John St. Giles 1b 1010

BUT the image on Ancestry gives her Father as George Dash deceased an Engineer !

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
25, North Crescent Mews, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter J Tulit Head Married Male 31 1870 Horsekeeper Brixton, Surrey, England
Georgina Tulit Wife Married Female 32 1869 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Edith Tulit Daughter - Female 6 1895 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Ada Tulit Daughter - Female 1 1900 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Aug 2019 17:33

The marriage in full detail was posted at 17.04

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Aug 2019 17:36

My humble apologies - I has scanned through previous posts and missed that EricaH

Whether right or wrong that's where the OP has her linked the 1901 census

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Aug 2019 17:50

Easily done - ;-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Aug 2019 21:05

There is no record an any censuses that I can see of a George Dash - engineer.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Aug 2019 22:29

made up name as sometimes happened when mother unmarried?

Slartibartfast

Slartibartfast Report 30 Aug 2019 08:54

Thanks everyone for taking a look.
I spent another 6-hours on it again last night and come to the same conclusions.
Perhaps the power of DNA will get to the bottom of it one day.

Many thanks.