Genealogy Chat

Only trying to tidy up loose ends of mother-in-laws siblings but I'm going to get a copy of marriage certificate for first marriage, as that will give quite a lot of information.

You are all so good, many thanks.

She called herself Pearce on one of her marriages - who did she name as her father?

Re opening her closed 1939 record, as mentioned by ErikaH -

info here;
https://tinyurl.com/22ys2rnu

including -
"If you have proof of death but cannot identify a specific record [in 1939 ], you can request a search of the 1939 Register for a fee using The National Archives Freedom of Information (FOI) request form."

The fee is £24.35 - non-refundable.


In the "additional information" box on the application form, you would have to explain about her various surnames, especially the Pearce connection.

Yes, I know - I had hoped it might be possible to find the Pearces in 1939 - but no.

The info mentioned by ErikaH is our Eunice - born 1928 and died 2008. Parents Bertie Smith and Gertrude Muncey. Unfortunately, mother-in-law never mentioned any Pearce family names and she would have only been a baby/young child herself when Eunice left and possibly before Myrtle was then born in 1929.

The marriage of Gertrude Margaret (mother-in-law) above to Benjamin Whamond (father-in-law) in 1946 is correct. Marriage certificates states spinster and batchelor.

Many thanks all of you.

Do you know the Pearces' first names?

If you want to find her in 1939, you’ll need to provide evidence of her death to the people who publish it. That would entail buying her death cert, and (I think) paying a fee

Gertrude SMITH b.1903, she married Herbert Muncey in 1920 and had 2 children. She left the family home to live with Bertie Smith and had more 4 children:
Bertie Cyril b.1925; Gertrude Margaret b.1927 (my mother in law); Eunice Viviene Rosina b.1928 and Myrtle Lilian May b.1929. She never married Bertie Smith.
She again left the family home to live with Albert Settler and had 3 more children and eventually married Albert.

So Eunice was born a Smith but due to circumstances was 'unofficially adopted' and brought up by the Pearce family. She married as a Pearce to Robert Weatherstone and later to Ronald Knight. Her biological parents were: Bertie Smith and Gertrude Muncey (mmn Smith). Perhaps she was raised out of Medway (Chatham/Gillingham/Rochester), although we know she lived not far from her sisters in Gillingham in the 1950s.

Very interesting reading indeed.
;-) :-S

Eunice (only registered as Smith on GRO, although both Smith and Muncey on FreeBMD) seems to have had a lot of siblings and half siblings.

Herbert and Gertrude appear to have separated between 1922 and 1925.
Gertrude was with Albert Setter at least from 1931.

The first two children are registered as Muncey on GRO.

The youngest in Tonbridge is only registered as Muncey, with mmn Smith, on FreeBMD. 1945 births aren't on the GRO website.

The next three youngest (1932-40) are registered as Setter on GRO, and as both Setter and Muncey (but not Smith) on FreeBMD

The rest are registered only as Smith on GRO, although as both Muncey and Smith on FreeBMD.


1921 - Iris Minnie Gertrude - married william Reynolds in 1944, died in Hythe in 2017
1922 - Eric George - died 1991 in Preston RD, having married in 1945 in Preston.
1925 - Bertie Cyril . He was in the Royal Marines (as Smith) and died 1945.
1927 - a female . Several possible marriages in Kent - one to someone of the same surname as Maralyn's husband, but maybe that's a coincidence.
1929 - a female who may still be alive.
1932 - a male, registered as Setter. Was still living in 2018.
1935 - Sheila Evelyn Setter. Married in 1954 in Chatham, and died 1997 Chatham.
1940 - a male, still living, on 2020 ER.


A tree on Ancestry suggests that Eunice's father Herbert had a relationship (can't see a marriage) with an Isabel Lawson in Durham, and had several children with her. - so more half siblings for Eunice.

There are seven Muncey/Lawson births in Durham 1927 -46.

Isabel Muncey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Isabel Muncey
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1904
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 19 Hawthorn Crest
Residence Place: Durham, Durham, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 4
Schedule Number: 159
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: FHHL
Borough: Durham
Registration district: 551/2
Household Members Age
Isabel Muncey 35
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Marie Muncey 6


(Obviusly nothing much else is happening on the boards today!)

Looking at the births of Gertrude's children makes interesting reading

Another thread posted now

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1392601

Robert Weatherstone married Eunice V Pearce in 1951

Birth of a child on freebmd Weatherstone, MMN Pearce

When did she die?

Where does the surname Pearce fit in?

EDITED

Title Ms
First name(s) Eunice Vivian Rosina
Last name Knight
Sex Female
Age 80
Birth year 1928
Birth date 14 Apr 1928
Death year 2008
Death date 01 Apr 2008
Residence Chatham
Area Rochester

Married Knight in 1973 as Weatherstone and Knight

NO reference to PEARCE

Her birth was registered under both Smith and Muncey, with mmn Smith, but I'm not seeing her in 1939 under either name.

Perhaps she's a closed record..

Are these her parents?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Muncey Herbert W J Smith Medway 2a 2121
Smith Gertrude E Muncey Medway 2a 2121


???
Gertrude Muncey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Gertrude Muncey
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1903
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 15
Residence Place: Gillingham, Kent, England
Occupation: Housekeeper
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 279
Sub Schedule Number: 7
Enumeration District: DHRL
Borough: Gillingham
Registration district: 47. 2.
Household Members Age
Albert J Setter 53
John Setter 22
This record is officially closed.
Marguerite Setter 19
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Gertrude [ Emily ] Muncey 36 - later became Setter.


Eunice's father Herbert (1900-1990) was in the RAF, so doesn't appear in the 1939 Register.

Gertude appears to have remarried later, to the head of the 1939 household.

Marriages Dec 1954 (>99%)
Muncey Gertrude E Setter Chatham 5b 479
Setter Albert J Muncy Chatham 5b 479

Can someone look up a relative in the 1939 Register please?

Eunice Viviene Rosina PEARCE (Smith) Medway, Kent, b.1928.

Many thanks,