Genealogy Chat

I have managed to get back to the late 1700 with my mothers side of the family. On the fathers side I have got to 1833 on the maternal line but on the paternal line I am well and truely stuck at 1898. I have the marriage cert for nan and granddad. 12th Dec 1898, St. Luje`s Church, in the parish of Victoria Docks in the county of West Ham and Essex. Granddad, John Maudsley`s father is first put in as George Massie, Baker...George is then crossed out, (He was granddads stepfather) and John Maudsley inserted. But the occupation was not changed it was left as Baker which I know George Massie was. I have tried looking for Granddads biological father, but John Maudsley is such a common name and I do not know granddads mother name to use as a cross reference. Granddad was born in Bootle, Liverpool in abt 1874. Any ideas as to where I go now will be very much appreciated. Kathlyn

Have you got your grandfather's birth certificate and who is named as the father on that? Have you found John with George Massie on previous censuses?

Hi Kathlyn The only one coming up on Freebmd is 1880 John Maudsley june 1880 W.Derby 8b 582. Bootle came under W. Derby. Shirley

Di he have a bro william as have found on 1891 George Massie baker living in Bootle with wife Mary aged 47 and stepsons John R Roberts!! aged 17 & bro wiliiam aged 15. Know thats not Maudsley but he may have been reg under his mums maiden name. However they didnt marry till 1894.!! Shirley

Poss John Maudsley death Sept 1884 age 42 W Derby 8b 284.

Hi Shirley, Yes thats the one. My problem is the change of surname, ie. Roberts to Maudesley. Because John did not get on with his stepfather George Massie, maybe that is why he used the name Maudesley in place of Roberts. But why, I keep asking my self. John ran away from home about 1889 and joined the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in Glasgow. George Massie found out where he was and hot footed to Glasgow and obtained Johns release as he was underage. On their return to Liverpool, John then took ship for Australia and was away for some 2 years. On the ships return to England it landed in the Royal group of docks in London, where he met grandmother and eventually married. Is this the time he changed his name, and if so why. I know the name of Maudesley and its variation spellings is a Lancashire name, and maybe that it why he chose it. He was very proud of Liverpool. George Massie did attend the wedding as his name is on the cert. as being...In the presence of...... I have written to the Scottish Regiment Historical Society in the hope that they can put me in touch with any record office there maybe as there could be a record of this occurance. Oh if only I had asked the right questions when they were all alive. Kathlyn

Could this be Mary's first marriage? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1867 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ............>Roberts John W. Derby 8b 788 Sutton Elizabeth W.Derby 8b 788 TETLEY Edward Theophilus W Derby 8b 788 ...........>TYRER Mary W Derby 8b 788

Hi Jim Thanks for your hard work. The Massie census info I do have, and that is the very good clues to my granddad. If this John Roberts is my granddad why did he change his name to Maudesley. Do you have any thoughts on this please. Kathlyn and yes my surname is Maudesley

Might be John Robert in 1861, nephew James night be the step-grandson here. 1861. Ann Caldwell abt 1853 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Daughter Kirkby Lancashire David Caldwell abt 1850 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Son Kirkby Lancashire Ellen Caldwell abt 1807 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Wife Kirkby Lancashire Joseph Caldwell abt 1822 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Head Kirkby Lancashire Ellen Roberts abt 1847 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Kirkby Lancashire ............>James Roberts abt 1859 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Step Grandson Kirkby Lancashire ............> John Roberts abt 1844 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Stepson Kirkby Lancashire Thomas Roberts abt 1838 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Stepson Kirkby Lancashire William Roberts abt 1835 Kirkby, Lancashire, England Stepson Kirkby Lancashire

Hi Kathlyn, As you said he ran away from home it could be that he changed his name in the hope that they would not find him. Fi.

Hi Kathlyn I,ve pmd you in answer to your s. See tho you think that the ones on the 1891 are yours!! strange isnt it why he changed his name. I found the marriage of George to Mary Roberts this MAY give a clue. . George Massie married Mary Roberts June 1894 L,pool 8b 39 the cert may give more clues. wots the betting she was an unmarried mum but she knew who the father was ie John Maudesley thats why John junior decided to change his name later on. Thats my theory anyway. Shirley

Hi Shirley, I am going to get the marriage cert of Mary Roberts and George Massie and see what, if anything this tells me. Yes you could be right, naughty things happend in them there days as well!!!!!! I have jyst taken the photo I have of George and mary and given them both a stern talking to. They are giving me a headache, I think a G&T might be in order lol lol lol Kathlyn