Genealogy Chat

thanks again jim for looking this stuff up for me i am very grateful as i know how time consuming it is, very clearly the other censuses offer a greater insight, i dont have access at the moment to any other than the 1881, i see ancestry are doing a free trial but am a bit nervous of them taking my money without giving me a chance to cancel at the end of 14 days, anyway so naomi obviously left lingfield and went into service i believe that the area of St george as given on the cert must be around the same sort of area as she would have been working. also just noticed a witness is anne wickham so that ties in thanks again for all your help, at least i might be able to sleep tonight now! yvette

I think this is Naomi and might explain why her marriage is not where you expect. 1861 census View Record William Cook abt 1843 Paddington, Middlesex, England Servant Lewisham Kent View Record Robert Fair abt 1814 Brentwood, Sussex, England Lodger Lewisham Kent View Record Edward R Phillips abt 1823 Westminster, Middlesex, England Head Lewisham Kent View Record Rebecca Phillips abt 1829 High Coggs, Oxfordshire, England Wife Lewisham Kent View Record Naomi Wickham abt 1838 East Grinstead, Surrey, England Servant Lewisham Kent

hi phonenix, yes i saw the family history society for lingfield, but you do have to join to get any help, i would willingly do so, but need to know i am on the right trail first if you know what i mean, i feel like i am going round in circles, do you think the lady you know would offer any help or advice? yvete

hi jim thanks for all your help, i will go off and view the records you have advised on, ernest was indeed married to Esther, they were my gt grandparents, the confusion lies in whether or not i had the right marriage cert for ernests parents, sometimes i convince myself that it must be right then i have doubt, i just expected them to be in surrey, i know a lot of people went to london at that time for work, i have charles on the 1861 census working on a farm in kent aged 15. thanks loads yvette will let you know how i get on just remembered that on the marriage cert for charles and naomi, naomis father name is given as richard?

1851 census Naomi's details match other census Ann Wickham abt 1802 Lingfield, Surrey, England Wife Lingfield Surrey View Record Ann Wickham abt 1848 Lingfield, Surrey, England Daughter Lingfield Surrey View Record Jane Wickham abt 1843 Lingfield, Surrey, England Daughter Lingfield Surrey View Record John Wickham abt 1801 East Grimd, Sussex, England Head Lingfield Surrey View Record Naomi Wickham abt 1840 Lingfield, Surrey, England Daughter Lingfield Surrey

East Surrey FHS have their research centre in Lingfield. I ought to know, but cannot remember, whether you have to join to request help, but I know that the woman who does lookups has a lot of local knowledge

I will just add a little birth Name: Ernest Alfred Malyan Year of Registration: 1872 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: East Grinstead County: Surrey, Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 135 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1901 census same ernest,mistranscribed View Record Emma Alfred Malzan abt 1872 Lingfield, Surrey, England Head Streatham London View Record Esther Malzan abt 1874 Merstham, Surrey, England Wife Streatham London zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz marriage Esther Ann Faulkner 1898 Oct-Nov-Dec Godstone Surrey View Record Ernest Albert Malyan 1898 Oct-Nov-Dec Godstone Surrey

thanks kath, on the cert their ages are given as full, and charles would have been around 20 and naomi older, it gets worse, just tried looking on ancestry bmd and i cant even find the record of the marriage, i was trying to see if maybe there were another couple with the same name, and i cant even find charles birth on there either. Still i will keep looking yvette

Quite a few couples went to London to marry, especially if they wanted to get married without parental consent. Have you found their birth references? What age were they on the marriage certificate? If they said they were 21 or over and you know that they were not this old, that could be a reason for marrying in London (where they would not be known). Kath. x

hi all, happy easter, i dont know if anyone can advise or help. My problem is I have been looking at my ancestors name Malyan. My gt grandfather was Ernest Malyan, i found him living in Lingfield in on the 1881 census. Pretty sure its him as the family always said he came from there. His mother and father are Charles and Naomi. Charles born Hever in 1846. and Naomi in Lingfield. I have only been able to find one marriage for a charles and Naomi, got the cert, and it states they were married in London in 1866. Naomis maiden name is Wickham. Charles fathers name is also charles and profession is carpenter. i am not convinced that i have the correct cert for a couple of reasons, it seems strange that they went back to Lingfied after they married, and of all the malyans on GR none of them have any connection to my family, even though they are all around Lingfield/Kent. I just recently came across someone on Gr with a Charles born the same time as mine 1846 and she kindly gave me access to her tree. Her charles father name is william, now although i know it is possible that there was more than one charles born in 1846 in hever, i am still doubting that i have got the right cert, i would be grateful for any advice, i just cant see why the would go to london and then back to farming after they married. Sorry this is so long its been bugging me for ages, and sometimes it helps just to write it down thanks for reading, yvette