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Hi have just recived my hubby`s grandads birth cert and it has his fathers name on it but the middle name is welsh and i don`t know how you would say it in english, can you please help me out on this one. The whole name is: Owen illtyd Jones. Kindest Regards Lyn.

If you don't get any help on this board, then google Illtyd and there is a church of St. Illtyd which has a phone number and email address, so you could perhaps give them a ring and ask how the name is pronounced. Kath. x

Hi Kathleen Many thanks for that i will just go have a look and let you know what i find out. Thanks again for your help. Kindest Regards Lyn x.

Nothing to do with what you were asking but is this his marriage reference:- Name: JONES, Owen Illtyd Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1909 District: Pontypridd County: Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 1087 Spouse either Margaret Ellen Jones OR Sarah Ann Davies. Kath. x

The who name is welsh, I would say. I'm Welsh my self but never heared of they middle name. Have searched it: ILLTYD Gender: Masculine Usage: Welsh Means 'multitude of land' from Welsh il 'multitude' and tud 'land, people'. This was the name of a 6th-century Welsh saint who founded the abbey of Llanilltud in Glamorgan. In English it would be said ill-tud, but in welsh it's more difficult to explain: I - as in IT LL - Put your tongue in the position for 'L' and blow out. Example: 'llid'. tyd - Tid

Hi Kathleen Many thanks for that, yes Margret Ellen Jones is the right marrage, thanks for looking that up for me, i just need to see if there were any other children to them or any siblings to them both. Just tried that number on the web but no reply will have to try on Monday as they maybe shut today. Kindest regards Lyn x.

Hi Lunar Many thanks for that info, that is all i could find on it aswell, this is why i can`t understand why it has been put down as his middle name how strange. Kindest Regards Lyn x.

I seem to remember we had a similar one not so long ago, who also had his village as a name - may be a local thing? Worth checking out that village I would have thought.

Well a guess it's like alot of old welsh names and discribes the person or the dreams of the parents. You might find that Illtyd is a family name. It's the same with Welsh place names. The name is desciptive. Pontypridd means Brigde the ground Llanelen marns the church of Ellen .. And a word of warning, don't be suprised if Owen becomes Owain (welsh, pronounced O-wine), as Owen is an English form of Owain and Eoghan (irish). I know quite a few Owain's that get called Owen.

Hi this is a Saints name and used as you would use Mark John Peter etc as names. There are a few welsh Churches with this name, I used to live near St Illtyd`s in Llanhilleth Gwent

With a name like Owen Jones, to me it sounds very sensible AND helpful to put an unusual middle name, especially if it turns out to be associated with the village where he was born, or of his forebears!! Wish parents of all the John Smiths and Mary Browns has thought to do that! jay

Hi Heather Many thanks for that but all i can find out about the name is about the names of churches and not a village of some sort, i have never heard of someone having their middle name named after a village or church, it`s bad enough having James, Jones, Davies and the Smiths from Wales let alone having this aswell. Kindest Regards Lyn x.