Genealogy Chat

AM HAVING DIFFIFULTY WITH MY FATHERS RELLIES. i AM UNABLE TO LOCATE THE BIRTH / MARRIAGE OF FREDERICK O'BRYAN B. 1858 /1859 CARMAERTHANSHIRE. HE APPEARS ON THE FOLLOWING CENSUS RETURNS : NOTICE THAT HE DROPPED THE '''O 1881 - O'BRYAN (HEREFORD) 1891 - BRYAN 1891 (HEREFORD) 1901 - BRYAN 1901 (HEREFORD) FROM THESE RETURNS I HAVE LEARNT THAT HE MARRIED 'SUSAN WILLIAMS' WHOSE AGE SEEMS TO VARY BUT C 1865. ANY HELP WOULD BE HUGELY APPRECIATED :-) THANKS X

Between which two censuses did they marry? When did they have their first known child? Merry

Theres a birth in Mar 1887 of a Frederick William O'Bryan Hereford 6a 485. Is this a son of theirs? Shirley

So this is him in 1881 and he married Susan, the second listed?? Susan WILLIAMS Head W Female 36 Devon, England Lodging House Keeper Susan WILLIAMS Daur U Female 14 Bristol Servant Elizabeth WILLIAMS Daur U Female 13 Gloucester, England Scholar Eda WILLIAMS Daur Female 12 Gloucester, England Scholar Freta WILLIAMS Daur Female 10 Gloucester, England Scholar Georgina WILLIAMS Daur Female 6 Talgarth, Brecknock, Wales Scholar Martha J. WILLIAMS Daur Female 5 Shrewsbury Scholar Rosa WILLIAMS Daur Female 5 m Hereford, England >>>>Fredrick O'BRION Lodger U Male 22 Landilo, Carmarthen, Wales Farm Labourer Edward SEDDING Lodger U Male 43 Middlesex, England Poultry Dresser Samuel CARRINGAN Lodger M Male 55 Monmouth, England Labourer Kitty CARRINGAN Lodger M Female 54 Ireland Dressmaker James COURTNEY Lodger U Male 39 Ireland Farm Labourer William DAVIES Lodger U Male 21 Hereford, England Butcher William SMITH Lodger U Male 52 Bath, Somerset, England Coach Maker Living at: 27 Berrington St, Hereford. Merry

...........and this is him in 1891 with Susan and a bunch of kids? Bryan, Frederick abt 1859 Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Frederick abt 1887 Hereford, Herefordshire, England Son St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Lily abt 1890 Hereford, Herefordshire, England Daughter St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Rosa abt 1881 Hereford, Herefordshire, England Daughter St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Susan abt 1865 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Susan abt 1883 Hereford, Herefordshire, England Daughter St Nicholas Herefordshire Bryan, Tresa abt 1885 Hereford, Herefordshire, England Daughter St Nicholas Herefordshire So, I would have expected a marriage soon after 1881? Merry

THANK YOU MERRY AND SHIRLEY, YES FREDERICK BORN HEREFORDSHIRE 1887 IS HIS SON AND YES THE CENSUS RETURN YOU PULLED UP IS HIM, AND YES HE DID MARRY THE LODGING HOUSE KEEPERS DAUGHTER ! ? X

In 1881 Susan is aged 17, not 14, on the original census page! Merry

i know Merry their are discrepancies with this young ladies age, different ages have been entered and until i find her birth entry too i dont know for sure, but i feel that maybe the age gap, (her 14 and him 22) may have had something to do with it! Also, I believe that Rosa williams maybe her daughter and not her sister, strange goings on. And to complicate things further with this family, the williams, i havent' found one of susan williams seniors childrens births!! (hope that makes sense)

Well in 1881 she says she was 17 (not 14). In 1861 she is 6 (have you got that one?) I can't find her marriage to Mr O'Brien either......maybe she and her mother didn't believe in such things?? In 1871 Susan senr says she is Married, not widowed, but her husband is not at home!! Merry

Thank you merry, no i dont have the entry for 1861 census, is her father home on that one as I don't know his name yet either !? I really appreciate your help, what a family!

Sorry, I meant to say in 1871 she says she is 6!! (not 1861!) You said you couldn't see a birth reg for any of the William's children. Did you mean the children of Susan senr?? Here's the birth reg for Rosa, aged 5 months in 1881: Williams, Rosa Edith 1881 Q1 Hereford 6a 510 (If you are going to buy this, please check the page number.....it COULD be 610 not 510.....unsure myself!) Merry

o.k merry re 1861 - no prob. Thanks for Rosa's details, I think it is the same rosa that later appears with susan bryan census returns. I have found all the children of Susan williams / bryan . but none of susan williams senr. However, i did notice that there was an orphanage two doors away on one census return - amazing how ones imagination can run riot when drawing blanks!