Genealogy Chat

please see below in a mo, im a tad confused

This is from 1851 John Bake abt 1823 York, Yorkshire, England Lodger York St Lawrence Yorkshire Jane Green abt 1829 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Lodger York St Lawrence Yorkshire Hannah Robson abt 1780 Garton, Yorkshire, England Head York St Lawrence Yorkshire Jane Robson abt 1818 Speeton, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire Mary Robson abt 1845 West Huntington, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire >>> Martha Vinter abt 1824 Fridaythorpe, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire Thomas Vinter abt 1816 Ougleby, Lincolnshire, England Son-in-law York St Lawrence Yorkshire Thomas Vinter abt 1849 York, Yorkshire, England Grandson York St Lawrence Yorkshire Frances Wilkinson abt 1851 York, Yorkshire, England Nurse Child York St Lawrence Yorkshire This is 1861 Hannah Robson abt 1854 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Maurice Yorkshire Martha Robson abt 1829 York, Yorkshire, England Head York St Maurice Yorkshire Martha A Robson abt 1858 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Maurice Yorkshire Thomas Robson abt 1851 York, Yorkshire, England Son York St Maurice Yorkshire Thomas Vertner abt 1818 York, Yorkshire, England Boarder York St Maurice Yorkshire Why are the children now back to Robson again? I believe this is them, does it seem unlikely to anyone else as i might just be clutching at straws. By 1881 Martha is married to Thomas Dinsdale

Just going to have a look on Ancestry for myself. It is extraordinary. I find it easier when the people are in DoB order: 1851 1780 Hannah Robson abt 1780 Garton, Yorkshire, England Head York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1818 Jane Robson abt 1818 Speeton, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1845 Mary Robson abt 1845 West Huntington, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1816 Thomas Vinter abt 1816 Ougleby, Lincolnshire, England Son-in-law York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1824 >>> Martha Vinter abt 1824 Fridaythorpe, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1849 Thomas Vinter abt 1849 York, Yorkshire, England Grandson York St Lawrence Yorkshire 1861 1818 Thomas Vertner abt 1818 York, Yorkshire, England Boarder York St Maurice Yorkshire 1829 Martha Robson abt 1829 York, Yorkshire, England Head York St Maurice Yorkshire 1851 Thomas Robson abt 1851 York, Yorkshire, England Son York St Maurice Yorkshire 1854 Hannah Robson abt 1854 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Maurice Yorkshire 1858 Martha A Robson abt 1858 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter York St Maurice Yorkshire Without having a look at the originals myself, it looks as if the marriage were dissolved but he stayed on as a lodger! Christine

Hi Robyne, On the face of it in 1861 - Hannah the head has now died. Her daughter Martha Vinter who was married is now head (presumably having inherited the house?)and has reverted to her maiden name. Her (ex?) husband is now boarding with her (possibly waiting to move out) and her children now have her maiden name. There may even be a question mark over the parentage of Martha and Hannah, her daughters - but theres not enough info to confirm this.The marriage has presumably broken down. Elaine x.

I find it very bizarre as there is a child Matthew Venter Robson born in 1861, father is listed as Thomas Robson and Mother is Martha Robson formerly Robson. Matthew was also baptised with father Thomas Robson and mother Martha.

how weird, i didnt realise people could get divorced then! is there anyway to find out if they did?

what happens in 1871?

In 1871 she is now Martha Dinsdale living in St Helen on the Walls.

Do you know that they were actually married in the first place? This seems rather similar to a family I was discussing with a one-name researcher recently. She cannot find a marriage( after 1837) but the couple had children registered with the father's surname and mother shown as 'formerly ****' On 1851 and 1861 they appear as a married couple but by 1871, he is down as UNmarried, with adult daughter living at home but also there is an unmarried servant whose details match the 1851/1861 wife in every respect. What is more, the servant's name is a match for the children's mother on the birth certificates.

I must say, I was beginning to wonder whether the first ''marriage'' was one of description to the enumerator rather than legal ceremony. Christine

Same here, Christine, I cant find a marriage for Martha and Thomas. On 1851 he is Thomas Vinter son in law b1816 Ougleby Lincs. On 1861 he becomes Thomas Ventner unmarried b 1818 York. If these are one and the same person then I think possibly the 'marriage' was for appearances sake. Elaine x.

I think it more likely that they were never married than that they were divorced. Divorce was extremely rare until 20th century and prohibitively expensive. But it could all be down to inaccuracy with transcriptions etc and remember that the census only tells you where people were on census night, it doesn't mean that those were the permanent living arrangements. nell