Genealogy Chat

I am researching a John William AMBLER (born 1875, Leeds to Harriett ? (looks like Calep) and ABRAHAM AMBLER). I have found him on the 1881 census his mother is widowed. Have also found him on the 1901 census with his wife Martha. Here is the confusing part. Martha's parents were John Stringer and Agnes Hadfield, Agnes died 1893 and John remarried, his wife on the 1901 census is MARTHA ELIZABETH looked on freebmd for the marriage and found John Stringer and Martha Elizabeth TINDELL. also living with them in 1901 is stepson William AMBLER (c1878 Leeds). Done a bit of research and found William Ambler on the 1881 living with his parents ABRAHAM AMBLER and MARTHA ELIZABETH AMBLER went into over drive and looked for a marriage for a Martha Elizabeth Ambler and found her married to Thomas TINDELL, so so far we have her married to Abraham Ambler (with a son William) then Thomas Tindell and then the John Stringer, who is the Father-in-Law of the John William Ambler i'm researching. Now i'm wondering if Abraham is the father of both, or is it just coincidence.

can i unwiggle this abit - might make the situation clearer I am researching a John William AMBLER (born 1875, Leeds to Harriett ? (looks like Calep) and ABRAHAM AMBLER). I have found him on the 1881 census his mother is widowed. Have also found him on the 1901 census with his wife Martha. Here is the confusing part. Martha's parents were John Stringer and Agnes Hadfield, Agnes died 1893 and John remarried, his wife on the 1901 census is MARTHA ELIZABETH looked on freebmd for the marriage and found John Stringer and Martha Elizabeth TINDELL. also living with them in 1901 is stepson William AMBLER (c1878 Leeds). Done a bit of research and found William Ambler on the 1881 living with his parents ABRAHAM AMBLER and MARTHA ELIZABETH AMBLER went into over drive and looked for a marriage for a Martha Elizabeth Ambler and found her married to Thomas TINDELL, so so far we have her married to Abraham Ambler (with a son William) then Thomas Tindell and then the John Stringer, who is the Father-in-Law of the John William Ambler i'm researching. Now i'm wondering if Abraham is the father of both, or is it just coincidence.

Thanks Jess, My head is swimming with Ambler's and Stringer's etc. Deb

Have drawn family trees all over my note pad. You are asking if Abraham Ambler father of John William born 1875 Leeds could be the same Abraham father of William 1878 Leeds, which would mean John William married his half brother's step father's daughter! The names and places match. John Wiliam's mother Harriet called herself a widow by 1881 William's mother, Martha was living with husband Abraham in 1881. Perhaps they are two different Abrahams, or perhaps Abraham did a runner and committed bigamy and Harriet preferred to describe herself as widow . I'd be investigating births of Abraham Amblers to see if there were 2 of them of the right age to be the boys' fathers. The occupation of Abraham on each of the boys' birth cerrtificates might also give a clue.

So what we have is: 1875 Abraham's son John William is born to him and his wife Harriett. 1978 Abraham has a son John with Martha. So what happened to Harriett? Have you found a death? I think you need to get Abraham and Martha's marriage cert to see if Abraham is a widower. I feel these families are linked in more than one way, but you'd need to get certs to prove it. It's not unlikely though, families are often united like this. I have an instance of a brother and sister marrying another brother and sister. I also have a gt grandfather John, whose sister Emily married John's widowed next-door neighbour (another John!). This widowed John had a son called Frank, who married the John and Emily's niece, the daughter of their sister Elizabeth. As the saying goes, one wedding leads to another... nell

If Harriet was widowed in 1881, then her Abraham cannot be the one married to Martha in 1901, unless Harriet is lying and Abraham deserted her. nell

Found this marriage on Ancestry civil reg: AMBLER, Abraham Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1867 District: Halifax County: West Riding of Yorkshire West Yorkshire Volume: 9a Page: 606 [also on page is CRAVEN, Harriet] There's another Abraham Ambler marriage the following year in the same reg district: September Year: 1868 District: Halifax County: West Riding of Yorkshire West Yorkshire Volume: 9a Page: 697 If the first marriage is the one for John William's parents, and we know they were married when JW was born 1875, then the second marriage must be for a different Abraham Ambler. Maybe the connection is a coincidence - or if there are two Abrahams, one the husband of Harriet and the other husband of Martha, perhaps they are related, possibly cousins? nell

This could be the death of John WIlliam's father Deaths Sep 1876 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambler Abraham 27 Leeds 9b 249 In which case Martha's husband was a different Abraham.

Hi all, Just to confuse things further: CALEP Harriet HAMBLEY Abraham All Saints, Leeds Leeds Leeds 9b 616 Dec qtr 1874 Not AMBLER but HAMBLEY!!!???? Emma x

Ancestry has: BROOK, Mary 1874 December Marriages Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire CALEP, Harriet 1874 December Marriages Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire ***HAMBLEY, Abraham 1874 December Marriages Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire ***HOMBLEY, Abraham 1874 December Marriages Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire Prince, John 1874 December Marriages Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire I think the transcriber was unsure if it said Hambley or Hombley, and the fact that this is the only entry for either Abraham Hambley and Abraham Hombley makes me think it was probably Ambler written badly. nell

There are 60 entries on ancestry civil reg for bmds for Abraham Ambler in Yorkshire. nell