Genealogy Chat

Thank you to everone who replied, this subject has been a nightmare . I had searched and paid people to research the Beverley's, but still was faced with a brick wall. Merry Monty gave some brilliant info, Obviously he/she knew a few tricks of the genealogy trade which I have yet to learn....after three years. I was begining to think that Someone forged Emily's will, and that a fraudster pretended to be the Dorothy mentioned in Emily's will. I also thought that Russell killed Emily with a blow to her head, as he was the person present at her death. I will let you know how I get on with these new Jewels of Information. Thanks again. Gem

Where did they get all that money from??? (you do mean equiv 2 million??) I see Dorothy's mother was married to the son of a builder's clerk??? Is that right? Dorothy's dad was Frank Edwin Gwyther, born 1860, Aston Warwickshire, his parents Henry Gwyther and Mary Ann (maybe nee Jackson)???? Maybe I have the wrong family - or were they cooking the books???? Merry (PS - sorry, but I have found a scandal recently in my own family, so everything seems suspect at the mo!!)

Gemma - search the WW1 medal index cards on the National Archives Documents Online for Russell Beverley, and you will find his medal card! Medal card of Beverley, Russell Corps Regiment No Rank 2/3rd Wessex Brigade Second Lieutenant Royal Field Artillery Captain Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/2 Kate.

Can you give us some more details of the family? Any census entries you have for them, etc. If you don't have the marriage cert for Dorothy's second marriage, get it because it will give her father's name and her age, if you don't already have those. I must say I don't really understand what makes you think Emily was murdered - but I am intrigued! Kate.

Don't know if you are interested in the Beverleys other than Russell, but his father, Michael B, died 31st Aug 1930 in his 90th year. His obit says his direct line ancestor (also Michael Beverley) was Mayor of Norwich in the reign of Charles II We don't usually get this sort of lead!! lol Merry

When you say Emily was not buried anywhere - these people were so rich - she could have requested anything!! I take it there's nothing in the will about what she wanted doing with her body? Where was her hubby buried? Now you have a death date for Russell Beverley, you could see what he did with the money.... Should think Dorothy was a rich widow and therefore a good catch - though there is lots in the paper about Mr Spicer who she married. He was Chairman of Spicers Ltd 1950-59. The company were paper makers and paper merchants, also manufacturing stationers .....Sounds like quite a big business. Merry

Emily is not buried anywhere... so was she cremated? As for the marriage between Dorothy and Captain Beverley not existing anywhere in the world, I presume you have not searched every marriage index in the world! Kate.

Cont....... Lancelot D Spicer died Dec 1979 aged 86. Can't find a notice for Dorothy! Merry

Did Mr and Mrs Russell Beverley have a dau called Mary who could have been married in 1947 (to Derek F A Yarrow)? Russell Beverley died 22nd May 1950 at Frome, Somerset. Dorothy Beverley married again, 1st Aug 1951 to Lancelot Dykes Spicer. Above all from The Times newspaper. If you would like the cuttings, send me your email addy and also quote the title of this thread, so I can find it again!! Merry

Hi What is the significance of Emily's will being proved in India? Was her husband (what was his name?) in the services there? If so, would his services record may include reference to Dorothy's birth perhaps in India. At this site: < http://www.nationalarchivist.com/archives.cfm > There is records of 3 GWYTHER in the India Office List 1933 with initials : A, BG and a CE. Registration & Search is free; You must pay to see the records though. Regarding Captain BEVERLEY. Do you know he was a Captain the army - or could he have been a Ship's captain? What was his father's occupation off 1901 Census - could he have been in India or have gone to India and all the records you are missing are associated with that part of the World? This site: http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp?j=1 Has War Office record of a Lt. R BEVERLEY Piece details: WO 374/6257 , covering dates 1914 - 1920 Who was death cert informant at the death of Emily? Cheers Anne

Our minds can go crazy with stories...dont you think! LOL. What records do you already have. I.E. Censuses showing Emily,Dorothy and Russel. What ages? Where? Give us as much info and we'll see if we can chip a bit of your wall. Suzanne

This is how it started.... Emily Gilbert Gwyther died on 13th Nov 1923 in Chelsea. She bequeathed all her money to her daughter Dorothy Beverley, wife of Captain Russell Beverley. Her will was proved in the India courts 13 months later, and Dorothy got the whole estate ( £2,000,000 in todays money) However Russell has only ever been found being born, plus showing up in school on the 1901 census. He is not on any army lists AT ALL, Dorothy's birth, death, marriage does not exist anywhere in the world. But to top it all... Emily died of a cerebral haemorrhage, and is not burried anywhere. Foul Play ?, dodgy solicitor in London- apparently acting for Dorothy. Suggestion would be great THANKS TO MERRY MONTGOMERY, I HAVE NOW FOUND 46 NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ON MY FAMILY, INCLUDING THAT OF THE BEVERLEY'S. XXX