General Chat

Why, in the UK, do we have some many 'conscientious objectors' to the world of work? Surely they cannot all be idlers!

People tend to forget that we are not the Industral Power we used to be, Most of our Motor/Heavy and light industry has either gone bust,moved abroad ( Because of Cheaper Costs ) or sold off,closed down and shipped abroad,The time has come to try and regenerate these or new industries.Look at what happened to the Heavy Casting Firm ,the Banks or Government would,nt lend the the cash to improve,now all the heavey castings we need here are imported because we can no longer make them. ( So Much for Bailing the Banks out.) **M**

The point I was trying to make was the effect on international companies. Many who have overseas headquarters rotate their upper level employees on 2 year secondments to gain (and give) experience. These could include 'right to work' employees.

If the quotas have been filled by say scaffolders, builders etc, then these internationally mobile proffessionals can't come here to the overall detriment of the company who already employee 'local' people.

DET

I'm not totally convinced that it is the best people for the job. I think there is an element of getting reasonable people for less than the British born.

I think that also there is a lack of faith in the British worker by some employers and are less willing to train and promote, especially when they can employer foreigners for less. I think the British worker has an unjust image of being lazy and more likely to strike at the smallest thing.

But it isn’t only tradesman which this initiative is affecting, which in this case is protecting the job vacancies for those who have a right to work here.

It also has repercussions for high quality IT staff, experienced, degree level engineers in the major fields, banking/dealing/financial sector etc. These highly qualified people are International and their experience is much in demand by large conglomerates, with offices in GB. If these large or successful companies can’t hire the best person for the job, then they are unable to compete successfully with their competitors.

It does of course work in the opposite direction; 3 British family members have worked ‘overseas’ as they were the best person for the job, even against local applicants.

DET

Totally agree Maggiewinchester

When a good tradesmen who do a good job can't get work, and they get people in who call themselfs a trademan for half the price. who is a employer going to hire the one who cost them less money

It's not right

Deb

No we aren't. As Debbie says - it's the wages employers are prepared to pay.
My friend (unemployed for 18months) has been a carpenter for over 30 years.
When he was working (he usually worked through agencies) he found in the past few years that he was taken on to repair the damage and 'botched' jobs done by 'foreign' and young workers from this country, who turned up with a saw and claimed to be carpenters!
It was cheaper to pay the lower wages and employ someone else to 'make good' than to employ a proper tradesman!

No we are not short of Capable workers, It is just the salary that this country is prepared to pay, for people who live in this country full time to live on.

I know of a coulple of people who are from another country. One really well. He works here for a few months goes home for a few months Claims back the Tax which he has paid to this country and starts again..

And to be honest with you If I was in his shoes, and could get away with it I would do just the same.

Maybe that problem should be looked at

This country is such a soft touch

Deb

because Johny they are to integrate those people into this society...maybe if you went 'there' ( wherever there is lol) you would find free lessons also?

Stray has sign languages training
i think it was callled mackaton

That's a shame Julia, my friend's daughter learnt sign language, all 'strings to the bow'. Well done for going back and doing A levels, for your own satisfaction :))

RR, must be a quick reply, as I am off soon for the evening meal.
Some 14 or so years ago, at the age 50, I did, at my own expense, take the 'A' levels, I always wished I had when younger, but did not have the opportunity. One of my subjects was Englinsh and European History, for which I gained an 'A'. One day I had a talk with the careers officer, saying I would like to take sign language, with the idea that I could, after achieving the appropriate qualifications, and again my own ,' buddy up' with an aspiring student of the same likemindedness. I was totally discouraged. And, to this day, I do feel rather miffed, that I was not given more support and encouragement, to pursue this
Julia in Derbyshire

"The Conservatives say they will fulfill a manifesto pledge by introducing a permanent cap on the number of people from outside the EU able to take up work in the UK from next April.

However, a temporary limit of 24,100 which came into force this summer - to apply until April - has already caused anger with banks and other multinational businesses arguing that it is restricting their ability to recruit the best candidates at a time of need."