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Hi I am trying to trace what happened to my GGgrandparents Robert and Annie (nee Moffitt)Summers, he disappeared after 1886 and she went to Lambeth london 1891 but I cannot find trace of her after that, they previously lived in newcastle upon tyne in the westgate area, he was a clerk in the Elswick works, It's seems Annie went with her sons to Lambert for work reasons in 1891 but 1901 finds their youngest son Frederick charles summers born 1886 in Earls house industrial school co durham and also they had 2 daughters Elizabeth Annie born 1873 in newcastle and Margaret Dora born 1873, living with aunt and uncle in Northumberland in 1881 ( annie was at her father's in 1881 with the 3 boys and Robert was at his parents in Gateshead 16 garden street for some reason, when my Great grandfather was born robert seemed to go of the radar after that, no trace of a death in either Lambeth or Newcastle area's, did get one death cert but was the wrong robert, any help would be deeply appreciated as I would love to know what happened to them both ?

thank you

regards Suzanne

regards suzanne

For reference...

1881
John SUMMERS Head M Male 62 Gateshead, Durham, England Insurance Agent
Dorothy SUMMERS Wife M Female 60 Swalwell, Durham, England
Robert SUMMERS Son M Male 38 Gateshead, Durham, England Clerk In Iron Works


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Source Information:
Dwelling 16 Garden St
Census Place Gateshead, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342214
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5036 / 103
Page Number 31



Nicky

Is this Annie in 1891?

just posting these as we need birthplace and year of birth if we are going to be able to help you..

SUMMERS, Annie Head Widow F 42 1849
Liverpool VIEW
SUMMERS, John A Son Single M 23 1868 Carman
Lambeth
London VIEW
SUMMERS, Ernest Ed Son M 13 1878 Van Guard
Newcastle upon Tyne VIEW
SUMMERS, Frederick Chas Son M 6 1885
Newcastle upon Tyne VIEW
HOPKINSON, Frederick Boarder Single M 25 1866 Blacksmith
Chelsea
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
402 Folio:
106 Page:
10

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Kennington First Enumeration District:
34 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Saints South Lambeth

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Pearson Terrace, Lambeth County:
London




nicky

1871 living with Roberts parents..

SUMMERS, John Head M 52 1819 Durham VIEW
SUMMERS, Dorothy Wife F 50 1821 Durham VIEW
SUMMERS, Robert Son M 29 1842 Lancashire VIEW
SUMMERS, Annie Wife F 23 1848 London VIEW
SUMMERS, John A Son M 1 1870 London VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
5075 Folio:
25 Page:
44

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
Westgate Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Westgate Municipal Borough:
Newcastle on Tyne Address:
Marlbro Street, Westgate, Newcastle On Tyne County:
Northumberland



Nicky

Had you considered this death as a possibility??

Camberwell reg district is very close to Lambeth..

Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Summers Annie 49 Camberwell 1d 468

EDIT..Maybe not........, just checked 1891 census and found a 40 year old Annie Summers in Camberwell...she may be this one.

Nicky

thanks for the look ups, I considered the 1896 death and sent for Death cert but it was the wrong Robert as he was 10 years older, and annie was in Kensington First ( lambeth) in 1891, for some reason her son frederick ended up at an industrial school in Co durham in 1901 then joined the army, the rest of the children stayed in london, just cannot find Robert or Annie after 1891, all of the above addresses are correct as they moved from north east to lambeth 6 pearson street before 1891. also they had 2 daughters who lived with Annies aunt on a farm in northumberland for some reason they never appeared to live with the rest of the family at all at any point unless it was between census's ,

Have you looked for a marriage for Annie around Lambeth..she was only youngish so could quite easily have got married again..

Theres this death in 1896 for Annie Summers,,,,


Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Summers Annie 49 Camberwell 1d 468

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could be her as she was 42 in 1891

I checked for marriages for annie but drew a blank, A distant relative ordered the death cert of the annie summers death 1896 in camberwell but it's not our annie, and robert seems to have no trace for his death, seems strange that their youngest son ended back up north in Durham by himself and in the Insdustrial school for naughty boys , it's a bit of a mistery, I think Robert died before she went to Lambeth, this is just a theory though, I found where Roberts parents are buried, both at gateshead east cemetary, but as yet still no trace of Robert and annie. still digging

thanks for all the posts, sue

I will dig with you...
Do you think they may have just separated.. and the son has gone back to Tyne and Wear

possibly as they were living at different addresses in 1881 ( or maybe Robert was just visiting his parents and Annie was visiting her father in falcolner street newcastle the night they did the census) they moved to 69 Dilston road, westgate newcastle as that is where Frederick charles ( roberts son) was born in 1886, maybe they were a couple that split got back together and split again , they seemed to live in what would have been classed as nice area's in decent housing at that time it wasn't until the turn of the century that they became run down.
Thanks for your help with this sue

regards

suzanne

Sue have you thought of sending for Frederick Charles's marriage certificate to see what is put in for the fathers name ie Late Robert Summers..


Sue

I never thought of that, thanks I will send for it asap to check details,

regards

suzanne