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Before I start thanks everyone for all the info you have shown me already wished Id have joined here years ago lol.

Now this is the bit that got me all of a dither about John Troop
1911

TROOP, John Head Married
6 years M 35 1876 Planer In Steel Wks Lincolnshire Gainsborough VIEW
TROOP, Florence Wife Married F 31 1880 Suffolk Ipswich VIEW
TROOP, Doris Daughter F 5 1906 Yorkshire Rotherham VIEW
TROOP, Elsie Daughter F 2 1909 Yorkshire Rotherham VIEW


Now I cant find any marriage in 1905 because he says hes been married 6 years in 1911 so that would have meant he married Florence in 1905, The only marriage I can find for then is JOHN WILLIAM TROOP and he got married in Farnham.

The Florence on the 1911 was born in Suffolk?? but on the 1901 census it says Liverpool...Could it just be a coincidence that on the 1901 census there is a john and a Florence?
Also when I found her mariage to Andrew Sloan she was 33 isnt that a bit old for a first marriage??

As John was suppose to have died in 1906 in the earthquake him saying he has been married since 1905 would make a bit of sense or am I just clutching at straws??

Elaine Mackereth Todd

1901

BRIER, Caroline Head Widow F 55 1846 Innkeeper
Elland
Yorkshire VIEW
BRIER, Ernest Son Single M 21 1880 Chemist Daug
Elland
Yorkshire VIEW
BRIER, Albert Son Single M 19 1882 Electrical Engineer Apprentice
Elland
Yorkshire VIEW
>>>>>ASKEW, Florence Servant Single F 21 1880 General Servant Domestic
Ipswich
Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4127 Folio:
185 Page:
1

Registration District:
Halifax Sub District:
Elland Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Elland St Marys

Civil Parish:
Elland Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Mexboro Arms, Westgate, Elland County:
Yorkshire (West riding)



1901

TROOP, William Head Married M 49 1852 Maltster
North Clifton
Lincolnshire VIEW
TROOP, Alice Wife Married F 51 1850
Marton
Lincolnshire VIEW
>>>>>TROOP, John Son Single M 25 1876 General Carter
Gainsbro
Lincolnshire VIEW
TROOP, Ada Daughter Single F 21 1880
Upton
Lincolnshire VIEW
TROOP, Geffery Son Single M 20 1881 Brickyard Laborer
Keeton
Lincolnshire VIEW
TROOP, William Son Single M 18 1883 Railway Laborer
Stowe
Lincolnshire VIEW
TROOP, James Son Single M 16 1885
Beckingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
TROOP, Florence Daughter Single F 12 1889
Misterton
Nottinghamshire VIEW
TROOP, Jonathan Son Single M 10 1891
Dinnington
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4395 Folio:
179 Page:
4

Registration District:
Rotherham Sub District:
North West Rotherham Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Thomas Kimberworth

Civil Parish:
Rotherham Municipal Borough:
Address:
52, Avondale Road, Rotherham County:
Yorkshire (West riding)



1911

TROOP, John Head Married
6 years M 35 1876 Planer In Steel Wks Lincolnshire Gainsborough VIEW
TROOP, Florence Wife Married F 31 1880 Suffolk Ipswich VIEW
TROOP, Doris Daughter F 5 1906 Yorkshire Rotherham VIEW
TROOP, Elsie Daughter F 2 1909 Yorkshire Rotherham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28057 Reference:
RG14PN28057 RG78PN1603 RD511 SD2 ED15 SN73

Registration District:
Rotherham Sub District:
South East Rotherham Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Rotherham

Address:
28 Hatherley Road Rotherham County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

1901


BISHOP, Elizabeth Head Widow F 56 1845
Montgomeryshire VIEW
>>>>>VINE, Florence S Boarder Single F 23 1878 Drapers Assistant
Liverpool VIEW
TROOP, John Boarder Single M 27 1874 Engineer (Fitter)
Gainsboro
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3498 Folio:
59 Page:
16

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Philips Liverpool

Civil Parish:
West Derby Municipal Borough:
Address:
16, Gilroy Road, West Derby County:
Lancashire



1911

MORRIS, Ethel Lyeitt Daughter Single F 27 1884 Draper's Daughter Yorks Bradford VIEW
>>>>>VINE, Florence Sarah Visitor Single F 33 1878 Draper's Manageress Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22554 Reference:
RG14PN22554 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED2 SN8

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
74 Boaler St Liverpool County:
Lancashire



Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
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SLOAN Andrew Vine W. Derby 8b 580
Vine Florence S Sloan W.Derby 8b 580

As Shirley said there are a few John Troop's born Lincolnshire

John Troop
Birth: Jan 1874 - Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire

2/
John Troop
Birth: Apr 1873 - Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire

3/
John William Troop
Birth: Oct 1873 - Doncaster, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

4/
John Charles Troop
Birth: Oct 1877 - Newark, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire

On 1901 census also:
John Troop
Birth: abt 1876 - Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Residence: 1901 - Rotherham, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Linda :o)

Shirley if he did then he didnt bother to divorce his first wife lol. The story his daughter told her family and up to a few years ago we had no reason to doubt it was....Her dad was sent to America to work? and just his luck he was in San Fransisco in 1906 when the earthquake struck !

His 1st wife Annie died just after the 1911 census was taken and said she was married now if he had died surely she would have classed herself as a widow? His daughter was only 11 when she died and lived with her grand parents who for reasons they only knew put her in an orphange and when she was a bit older she went into service.

As for Florence she said on the 1901 census she was born in Liverpool...but on the 1911 census she puts her birthplace as a totally different place and John Troop is 2 years older lol..And heres me thinking they were all God fearing folks in those days lol.

Thanks to Linda and Shirley for the help will let you know what I find

Elaine Mackereth Todd

Sorry I don't have access to the 1911 so can't double check that.

Linda :o) XxX

Theres quite a few John Troop's have you got the right ones ??

The marriage you already have :

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Ross Annie Mckenzie W. Derby 8b 895
Troop John W. Derby 8b 895


The only marriage on FreeBMD with John & Florence:

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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*Askew Florence Rotherham 9c 1096
Bennett Emily Rotherham 9c 1096
Hudson Charles Rotherham 9c 1096
*Troop John Alfred Rotherham 9c 1096

Linda :o)

maybe he "married "Florence Vesie?

This was from Ancestry

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Bishop Name: Elizabeth Bishop
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Bishop 56
Florence S Vesie 23
John Troop 27


Elizabeth was born Montgomeryshire, Wales

Florence's surname seems to be VESIE

If you want it I can send a copy, but I will need your e-mail

Linda :o)

Sorry I made a mistake I meant to put the 1901 census not the 1911 got a bit excited lol..

Heres what I would like some help with

16 GILROY STREET WEST DERBY LIVERPOOL

ELIZABETH BISHOP 56 WIDOW..where was she born?
FLORENCE S ???? 23 SINGLE..BOARDER...whats her surname?
JOHN TROOP ,,,27 SINGLE....BOARDER

Now hes my husbands G G grand dad,He says on the census thats hes single?,,,But I know he was married . He married Annie Mackenzie Ross October 1900...they had a baby November 1900 my husbands nanna.
So from the end of 1900 to April 1901 he had married ...moved out to board in a house in the next street and calling himself single??

I think Ive found him on the 1911 census but hes 2 years older and hes married to a FLORENCE and has 2 children one born 1905 and the other 1909.

Sorry for posthing the wrong info before
Elaine Mackereth Todd

We cant help unless you give some details !! Plus on the 1911 the Head of house filled in the form not the enumerator

Can anyone help me?
Ive located a relative on the 1911 census.The trouble is Im having trouble reading the census officers handwriting. Is there anyone on here who could help me Id be very grateful.

Its a persons surname thinks its only got 4/5 letters in it but just cant make it out it would help me a lot if I knew what it said.
Thanks for any help
Elaine M Todd