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According to "Yahoo News" the mother has been in intensive care since being delivered by Cesarean Section and father is also in intensive care following a heart attack the day after the births :-|

What era are you talking about David? :-S :-D

I was hoping we would be enlightened as to why this thread shouldn't have been started so that we might have an insight into why it was reported - twice. I see no reason.

How can women be described as the weaker sex ?

From puberty they have to endure their menstrual cycle. From conception they

have to carry an embryo. The after months of that they have to deliver that

infant into the world, often in the harshest conditions. Then they have to

nourish, raise and protect the infant for years, while cooking, cleaning,

and perhaps doing a job of work to financially provide.

They are certainly NOT WEAK, far from it..

JoyLouise - explanation:

Incidental - The father of the child can be any random male person.

Fundamental - The mother can only be the one & only person to give birth.

Kense my grandmother was born in 1877 and aged 50 when she had my mother who was her 9th child naturally. The doctor warned her to expect anything, deformity, Down's syndrome etc. My mother was born with a problem hip as are many babies with much younger mothers are, but was treated and fine otherwise. My grandmother lost 1 child at the age of 3 and 2 of them didn't marry or have children, but the rest of her children provided her with 39 grandchildren. She had a hard life as her husband and 6 sons were all coal miners and all the washing was done in the old fashioned copper by hand and hand wringer. She had 1 water tap over the sink and all water was heated on the fire for the tin bath to come out when the men came home from the pit. (no showers at the pit in those days) She wouldn't have electricity put in and all cooking was all done on a big black leaded range. I know all this because I would stay with her at times and be sent to bed carrying a lighted candle up the winding stairs in pitch dark. She lived in her house looking after one of her sons who never married until she died aged 84.

With advances in health and diet I wonder if today's young women might be capable of having children naturally at an even greater age?

It's a wise child that knows it's own Father.

I ain't gonna be careful .... in for a penny and all that .....

He can't be incidental, Dermot, it takes two to tango whether they dance the normal way or in a tube.

And .... Dermot, you forgot to say that the father can never be 100% certain he is the father (apart from relatively recent DNA testing).

Oh, gawd, I am babbling on a couple of threads now ... It's late, I gotta get on home ...

I tried to be as careful as I could!

I wouldn't like to do it at 50, let alone 77!

lol Sylvia, I had best be careful with my reply to that :-D

It's certainly not something I'd want to go through at that sort of age, not the birth nor the looking after :-D

In the production of any baby, the father can be incidental whereas the mother is always fundamental.

Just saying!

But being pregnant puts a far greater strain on the female body than producing a few sperm does on a man's

................ and it takes for a lot longer from beginning to end!

An interesting point I think

from this article: https://abovethelaw.com/2019/09/73-year-old-sets-record-for-oldest-woman-to-give-birth-so-far/

" On one side, some countries do provide a solid limit as to the age of a woman when assisted reproductive technology will no longer be permitted for conception. In Israel, that age is 45. In Japan, 43.

On the other hand, it is not an uncommon argument that there should be no limit. After all, there is no limit on the age men are allowed to reproduce the old fashion way. "

Some older natural fathers:

http://www.oldest.org/people/fathers/

Of course it's my fault, I started it. Twin girls I read, only saying.

True Joy keeps the post moving :-) :-)

Barbra, it's all David's fault. He started it. ;-) :-D

So why was this Thread started the child will never know its parents properly shame who will bring it up poor little love Barbara

Good morning, I wouldn't have thought it was possible

never mind desirable. They could always adopt ?

David ................

the answer to your question is VERY simple

..................... because the clinics that do this make a LOT of money out of it, and laws are less lax in India and China in particular (and maybe some other countries).

It isn't allowed over a certain age in the UK, Canada, US, most of Europe, that I know of.

If it shouldn't be allowed why did the IVF team and the Doctors

and nurses go along with it ?

It certainly is, Det.