Royal Artillery recruit 1870

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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	9 May 2018 20:43
	I've found a recruit to The R.A. 1870 by the name of Frederick Siggs who ties in with a missing relative (almost). His age doesn't tally, given as 21. My Frederick would have been 24 but they are both recorded as having been born in Chelsea. Another Frederick Siggs who is recorded as being born in 1850 is closer in age but the birthplace is wrong (Lambeth) though not far away (wrong side of the river !) Can anyone throw any light on to who this Royal Artillery recruit might be ? Thanks , Kevin
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2008 Posts: 2 616 Send Message	Andysmum	Report	10 May 2018 12:14
	Do you know your Frederick's mother's maiden name? If so, look up the other Frederick on the GRO site and see if he has the same MMN. Then you will at least know how many different people are involved.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62 738 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	10 May 2018 13:02
	SIGGS, FREDERICK EVERNDEN EVERNDEN Order GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 275 Order This one was illegitimate, as per your thread on Find Ancestors SIGGS, FREDERICK - Order GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE CHELSEA Volume 03 Page 62 No other births for the name in the time-frame, but as there were no penalties until 1875, it may not have been registered Presumably, you're trying to locate 'your' Frederick in 1871, as he doesn't appear with the rest of the family in the census info posted on your other thread
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62 738 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	10 May 2018 13:04
	1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Barnsbury Road, Islington All Saints, Islington, London & Middlesex, England Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frederick G Siggs Head - Male 46 1825 - Kent, England Transcription Mary A Siggs Wife - Female 44 1827 - Kent, England Transcription Henry E Siggs Son - Male 23 1848 - Kent, England Transcription Frederick E Siggs Son - Male 20 1851 - Surrey, England Transcription****************BOOTMAKER William E Siggs Son - Male 18 1853 - Surrey, England Transcription Mary A E Siggs Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Surrey, England Transcription George E Siggs Son - Male 12 1859 - Surrey, England Transcription Samuel E Siggs Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England Transcription Thomas E Siggs Son - Male 2 1869 - Middlesex, England He is on all censuses through to 1911
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62 738 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	10 May 2018 13:08
	Where did you find the RA record?
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 62 738 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	10 May 2018 13:10
	Name: Frederick Siggs Age: 27 Birth Year: Abt 1849 Birth Place: Chelsea, Middlesex Desertion Date: 16 Jul 1876 Desertion Place: Woolwich Publication Date: 31 Jul 1876 Regimental Number: 1381 Military Corps: Royal Artillery Ancestry links this to the 1851 and 1861 censuses for your chap (Margaret's son)
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	10 May 2018 18:44
	Interesting. I saw the R.A. connection in a National Archives listing but haven't enquired after it yet as I was hoping there may be other sources available. This was on Ancestry you say ? Thanks for looking, I wonder what became of a deserter in those days ...
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24 916 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	12 May 2018 11:22
	https://tinyurl.com/y9kts6cr About UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927 This collection is comprised of lists of deserters from Her Majesty's Service, published in the UK Police Gazette between 1812 and 1927. Desertion was an extremely serious offence and those found guilty were subject to court martial and potentially a death sentence. If any of the helpers has All Access membership to Ancestry (or membership of Fold3) they'll be able to see the details of that desertion record for you. I don't see Frederick's death in 1876, however. There are actually two desertion records - the other has the publication date 28 July 1876 - different stages of the case, I suppose: Frederick Siggs in the UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927 Name: Frederick Siggs Age: 27 Birth Year: Abt 1849 Birth Place: Chelsea, Middlesex Desertion Date: 16 Jul 1876 Desertion Place: Woolwich Publication Date: 28 Jul 1876 Regimental Number: 1381 Military Corps: Royal Artillery
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	12 May 2018 22:49
	Thanks, it's interesting, I can't find a death record either. I've just joined ancestry to have a look at this but it doesn't seem to be registering. I've spent a long time on and off trying to find this person, I had a copy of his birth certificate but i seem to have lost 12 or more years of paperwork somehow.
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24 916 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	13 May 2018 09:44
	Link to your other thread about this, for helpers' reference: https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1372026
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

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