Military Chat

I am trying to find out about a relative who in Glasgow 1911 census is listed as a musician. Through reading info and WDYTYA, most musician ancestors are in the military. His name was Walter Alexander aged 23. How can i find out musician ancestry?
Coincidentally, it is my grans family in the same house and same census but both my gran(Jean Keating) and her ma(Mary Keating) are both missing from this house/census. Thanks in advance for any info sent.

Although you may think that all musicians were in the military, don’t forget the music & concert hall orchestras!

As you’ve obviously paid to view the 1911 on Scotlandspeople, where does he say he was born?

Have you checked the other ‘households’ listed at the property? In England each household was on a separate sheet. Is it the same for Scotland? Your missing relatives may still be there.

I have only reregistered with Scotlands People now after a few years away. The Alexanders and Keatings are in the same house and are related. Granny Keating is missing as is her ma. I searched many times and they are not appearing in the Scottish census in 1911.
On the musician front, i am not sure where to start looking(archives in Scotland?)He is born in Glasgow as are all of the others.

In the Scottish 1911 census, it's not one family per sheet, but several, as in previous censuses.



How old would have Mary (and/or Jean) have been in 1911 ? - so that we may be able to spot them.

There were two Walter Alexanders born in Glasgow 1887-89:

ALEXANDER
WALTER
M
1887
644/6 641
St Rollox


ALEXANDER
WALTER STODDART
M
1888
644/9 294
Kelvin

This is the one you're looking for (that's the 1887 birth. Walter S 1888 is listed elswhere in 1901 and 1911)

Walter Alexander
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Walter Alexander
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Walter Alexander
Mother's name: Margaret Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil Parish: Glasgow Port Dundas
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 54 Canal Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 13
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_288
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Alexander 59
Margaret Alexander 44
Peter Alexander 16
Walter Alexander 13
Robert Alexander 11
Sarah Alexander 5
Charles Keating 31
Mary Keating 24
Lousia Keating 2
Charles Keating 5 Mos

Mary Keating was a daughter of Walter senior and Margaret Alexander.

Therefore Walter junior was her brother.

Her marriage:

KEATING
CHARLES
ALEXANDER
MARY
1897
644/11 290
Hutchesontown

Walter Alexander
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Walter Alexander
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Walter Alexander
Mother's name: Margt Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Hartfield St
ED: 43
Household schedule number: 13
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_264
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Alexander 48
Margt Alexander 33
Jessie Alexander 12
Mary Alexander 14 <<<<<<<<<<
Margt Alexander 7
Peter Alexander 6
Walter Alexander 4 <<<<<<<<<<
Robert Alexander 1

Is this Margaret Keating related? She was born 1907, Glasgow and married to Samuel Shephard in Toronto, Canada and gives parents' names as Charles Keating & Mary Alexander.


Margaret Keating
in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1936
Name:
Margaret Keating
Gender:
Female
Age:
27
Birth Year:
abt 1907
Birth Place:
Glasgow Scotland
Residence:
130 Dunn Ave. Toronto Ont.
Marriage Date:
21 Aug 1934
Marriage Place:
Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Father:
Charles Keating
Mother:
Mary Keating
Spouse:
Samuel Shephard

??

Walter Alexander
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Walter Alexander
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 19
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 43 James St Calton, Glasgow
Regimental Number: 8319
Regiment Name: Princess Louise's (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders)
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 6
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Walter Alexander Self (Head)
Walter James Father


Discharged 14/04/1915 as "not being likely to become an efficient solder".
Poor physique, large tonsils, deafness.

Occupation: labourer (so maybe not him ? Also deafness wouldn't help with being a musician. )

Young Jean's birth:

KEATING
JEANIE
F
1905
644/8 954
Milton


I still don't see her in 1911 (at least not with Mary) in spite of searching with all sorts of variations of her name.

There are one or two possibilities for her and for Mary, but not together.

Walter and Margaret also had a previous son Walter, who died:


Walter Alexander
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Walter Alexander
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Airdrie, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Blackfriars
Civil Parish: Glasgow Wellpark
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 128 Drygate St
Occupation: Iron Moulder
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 43
LINE: 4
Roll: cssct1881_226
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Alexander 37
Margaret Alexander 23
Mary Alexander 4
Jessie Alexander 3
Walter Alexander 4 Mos <<<<<<<<<<


Birth and baptism of that Walter:

ALEXANDER
WALTER
M
1881
644/5 3
Blackfriars


Walter Alexander
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Walter Alexander
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1880
Birth Place: Blackfriars, Glasgow, Scotland
Father: Walter Alexander
Mother: Margaret Cameron
FHL Film Number: 232672
Reference ID: p 1 no 3


And his death:

ALEXANDER
WALTER
0
1881
644/5 469
Blackfriars


His parents' marriage:

Walter Alexander
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Walter Alexander
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1875
Marriage Place: Saint Rollox,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Margaret Cameron
FHL Film Number: 6035516

ALEXANDER
WALTER
CAMERON
MARGARET
1875
644/6 399
St Rollox


Walter senior with parents and siblings in 1861:


Walter Alexander
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Walter Alexander
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Walter Alexander
Mother's name: Janet Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow Inner High
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 13 Drygate St
Occupation: Iron Moulder
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 21
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_98
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Alexander 48
Janet Alexander 49
Walter Alexander 17
Andrew Alexander 15
Margaret Alexander 10

Yes i have most of this info. The one in Canada is my grans relative. I got to visit Molly over there in 2003(she passed away the next year).
A deaf musician would be a rare find but i think he is 23 in 1911 so not the same one.
I tried all the options of Jean, Jeannie etc andcould not find her too. Maybe on a ship visiting Canada? Or hiding from the husband for some reason(which i doubt)

I agree, and had already doubted, that the deaf would-be soldier is not your Walter.

However, you asked "How can i find out musician ancestry?"

You have not commented on the rest of the records I posted about Walter.
( Unless that comes under "Yes i have most of this info." )

Do you agree that he was Mary's brother?

If he was listed as musician in the 1911 census, it's unlikely that he was in the military. His service rank would take priority.

It's not really true that most musicians were 'in the military' - think of all the orchestras which existed.

e.g.
The Royal Scottish National Orchestra is a Scottish orchestra, administratively based in Glasgow at the RSNO Centre. The RSNO receives support from the Scottish Government. Wikipedia
Active from: 1891

and

Glasgow Orchestral Society, founded in 1870, is a symphony orchestra with about 70 members. Our repertoire covers a wide range of music, from the classical era to the present day, including new works (recently by John Maxwell Geddes and Tom David Wilson) and choral works with local choirs.

wow, thanks. Do you have any links for them orchestras? Havent been on for a while as newborn is keeping us awake :)

Just Google their names, Marcas.

Royal Scottish National Orchestra: https://www.rsno.org.uk/contact/

Glasgow Orchestral Society: http://www.gos.org.uk/#contact


But those are only two possibilities.
He may not have been a classical musician.

There were also many theatres, music halls, and dance halls in Glasgow in those days, all of which would have had musicians.


For instance,
the Theatre Royal: http://www.glasgowtheatreroyal.org.uk/
The Pavilion: https://www.paviliontheatre.co.uk/
The Citizens Theatre: https://www.citz.co.uk/about

And others, many of which will no longer exist.
To name just one, the Albert Ballroom was opened in 1905, but destroyed by fire in 1974.