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hi
i hope someone could help me, im looking for some deaths of children which i cant find, belonging to Abraham fitton & hannah..abraham was brn 1857 oldham (m) hannah 1878)....
i found them on the 1911 census..the children that ive got are
Arthur brn 1879
sarah a brn 1879
william brn 1882
albert brn 1885
radcliffe brn 1886
henry brn 1888
benjamin brn 1890
alice A brn 1893 -1905
lizzie brn 1897...apparently it said on the census they had 13 children... 8 still living..5 died..i think alice above is one of the 5...so if any one else could shed some light on this..and find the remaining children ..that would be great..thanks once again
elaine
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1901 to compare
1901 England Census
about Abraham Fitton
Name: Abraham Fitton
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 210
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Fitton 44
Hannah Fitton 43
Arthur Fitton 24
Sarah A Fitton 22
William Fitton 19
Albert Fitton 17
Radcliffe Fitton 15
Henry Fitton 13
Benjamin Fitton 11
Alice A Fitton 8
Lizzie Fitton 4
Andy
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Possible Herbert from 1881?
1881 England Census
about Hannah Fitton
Name: Hannah Fitton
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Siddall St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cardroom Hand
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Fitton 22
Arthur Fitton 3
Sarah Fitton 2
Herbert Fitton
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Deaths Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Fitton Herbert 0 Oldham 8d 378
Andy
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thanks andy thats great..
elaine
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As you probably know, you can buy BMD certs from the GRO and from the local office.
Some local indices are online, including Oldham. Fortunately, Abraham named one son after his dad (variantly spelled), so he's easy to find:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FITTON Ratcliffe Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/116/1
Groom's Name: Abraham Fitton
Groom's Age: 19
Bride's Name: Hannah Jackson
Bride's Age: 19
Marriage Date: 03 Apr 1878
Marriage Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: Radcliffe Fitton
Bride's Father's Name: John Jackson
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01090-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656159
Reference Number: Reg #255 page128
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973
Now we know Hannah's MS=Jackson, we can go some way to sorting out Oldham.
We do have to watch out for other Fitton-Jackson marriages:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FITTON* Robert JACKSON Elizabeth Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/21/111
FITTON Robert SMITH Elizabeth Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/21/111
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FITTON Abraham JACKSON Hannah Oldham, St. Mary Oldham CE235/23/255
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FITTON Joseph JACKSON Nancy Leesfield, St. Thomas Oldham CE227/2/410
The Royton events look like they belong to Robert + Elizabeth
B1874q3 FITTON Eliza Royton Oldham JACKSON ROY/24/358
B1878q3 FITTON Lena Royton Oldham JACKSON ROY/27/407
B1881q2 FITTON Alice Royton Oldham JACKSON ROY/30/143
B1886q3 FITTON (boy) Royton Oldham JACKSON ROY/34/409
D1886q3 Fitton Male 0 Oldham 8d 520
[rg11/4094/23/59, rg12/3322/60/61]
Jane(Jone) Ann & George look like they belong to Joseph + Nancy
B1885q3 FITTON Jane Ann Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/113/188
B1888q2 FITTON George Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/122/254
[rg12/3329/44/42]
Now for what's left - we know Benjamin is born in Bolton and a=19 in 1911, so we can stop then
[rg11/4068/29/50, rg12/3115/64/17, rg13/3620/119/35]
Unfortunately, the local indices for Bolton don't go that far yet.
B1891q3 Fitton Ben Bolton 8c 494
B1893q3 Fitton Alice Ann Bolton 8c 470
D1905q2 Fitton Alice Ann 11 Bolton 8c 261
B1896q4 Fitton Elizabeth Bolton 8c 488
1888 is a bit problematic, but checking other births on page resolves it:
1888q1 FITTON Henry Oldham 8d 707
1888q2 FITTON Henry Oldham 8d 657
B1879q2 FITTON Sarah Ann Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/92/492
B1880q4 FITTON Herbert Oldham Below Town Oldham JACKSON OBT/133/385
D1881q4 Fitton Herbert 0 Oldham 8d 378
B1882q2 FITTON Willie Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/102/376
B1884q1 FITTON Albert Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/110/172
B1886q2 FITTON Ratcliffe Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/116/1
B1888q2 FITTON Henry Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/122/375
B1890q2 FITTON Jane Dunkerley Oldham Above Town Oldham JACKSON OAT/129/169
We're also missing Arthur, but he must be
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1877 JACKSON Arthur Fitton Oldham Below Town Oldham JACKSON OBT/119/293
B1878q1 Jackson Arthur Fitton Oldham 8d 616
[Incidently, this illustrates that http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ indexes by date of event, unlike the GRO's date of rego]
Although Abe didn't accompany Hannah to the rego office to acknowledge Art's birth, the LDS pilot site does have:
Name: Arthur Fitton
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 13 Nov 1878
Baptism/Christening Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Abraham Fitton
Mother's Name: Hannah Fitton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00941-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656223
Reference Number: item 3 p 249
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
So we're left with the problem of Jane Dunkerley Fitton - I don't really know who she belongs to, nor can I find a death for her.
Presumably, she's named after Deb, but I don't know whose tree Deb's in:
Groom's Name: Abraham Dunkerley
Bride's Name: Deborah Fitton
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1848
Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: James Dunkerley
Bride's Father's Name: William Fitton
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00927-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656156
Reference Number: it 1 P.123
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973
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1901 England Census
Civil parish: Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Percival St
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 86
John Mack 64 Ireland Head
Maria Mack 63 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife
Margaret A Mack 20 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter
Lavina Rush 21 Bolton, Lancashire, England Lodger S
Herbert Rush 3 Bolton, Lancashire, England Lodger
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3620; Folio: 153; Page: 16.
In 1901, our Arthur was at 9 Livingstone St
Baptism: 20 Mar 1907 St Matthew, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Fitton - Daughter of Abraham Fitton & Hannah
Abode: 8 Livingstone Str
Occupation: Laborer
Baptised by: E.S.Richardson
Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1908, Page 242, Entry 1933
Source: LDS Film 2113025
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
RUSH Lavinia FITTON Arthur Bolton, St Matthew Bolton 16/3/358
Baptism: 9 Feb 1903 St Matthew, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Albert Fitton - Daughter of Arthur Fitton & Lavinia
Abode: 15Livingstone Str
Occupation: Laborer
Notes: P.
Baptised by: E.S.Richardson
Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1908, Page 78, Entry 623
Source: LDS Film 2113025
1911
HOUSEHOLD FITTON ARTHUR M 1878 33 Bolton Lancashire pob=Oldham
HOUSEHOLD FITTON LAVINIA F 1880 31 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD FITTON HERBERT M 1898 13 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD FITTON ANNIE F 1905 6 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD FITTON ALICE ANN F 1906 5 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD FITTON WILLIAM M 1909 2 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD FITTON ARTHUR M 1910 1 Bolton Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD LIVSEY JOHN M 1885 26 Bolton Lancashire Boarder
So is this our Arthur, meaning he's recorded twice in 1911?
Incidentally, the baptismal "Notes: P" indicates a private baptism, perhaps explained by:
Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
Fitton Albert Bolton 8c 512
Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Fitton Albert 0 Bolton 8c 284
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Hi mgnv
gosh thank you very much for looking into that, and finding this information , i shall have a study at this so mind blowing, but great ...thank you for taking time out on finding this.
many thanks again
elaine
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