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I wish to thank everyone for all their efforts and kindness in trying to solve my problem. I am living in Holland at the moment so I am limited to researching online until I can get the chance to go to England visiting family.
I hope the following answers all questions put to me. I apologise if I have unintentionally ignored anyone.
Marriage Cert - Occupation of father (James) - Miner
Birth Cert - Occupation of father (William) - factory hand
Birth Cert - Mothers name - Ann - maiden name is difficult to read but I think is Allivant or Ollivant - will need to investigate this more
I will need to investigate everything further and really put my logical head on
Thanks to everyone and I will keep you posted
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http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ gives:
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM Martha Hyde Tameside HYD/19/1
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM Sarah Ann Newton & Godley Tameside SULIVANT NEW/12/15
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM Ellen Newton & Godley Tameside HOOLOGHAN NEW/13/55
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM Hesketh Newton & Godley Tameside HOOLOGHER NEW/14/67
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM William Newton & Godley Tameside HOOLOGAN NEW/15/68
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUFFLEBOTTOM John Newton & Godley Tameside HOOLAGAN NEW/16/63
The use of two MS's is a bit odd - maybe Ann was a widow when she wed William.
************* WHO IS THE MOTHER ON YOUR B.CERT? ************
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Tracking back FBG's Dukinfield (Ashton Under Lyne RD) 1871 couple:
1851 England Census
Civil parish: Hyde
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bayley St
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Marple
ED, institution, or vessel: 2g
Household schedule number: 87
William Shufferbottom 28 Gloston [Glossop], Derbyshire, England Head M Labourer
Ann Shufferbottom 25 Ireland Wife M Winder
Thomas Shufferbottom 1 Hyde, Cheshire, England Son
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2154; Folio: 490; Page: 23; GSU roll: 87128-87129.
[image says Shufflebottom - correction submitted]
1861 England Census
Civil parish: Newton
Ecclesiastical parish: Godley cum Newton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Blank - last addy=Spring Gardens for h/h=211
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 223
William Shofflebottom 35 Derbyshire, England Head M Stone Mason
Ann Shofflebottom 31 Warrington, Lancashire, England Wife M
Jane Shofflebottom 16 Disley, Lancashire, England Daughter Cotton Card Room Hand
Thomas Shofflebottom 14 Hyde, Cheshire, England Son Cotton Minder
Martha Shofflebottom 10 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter Cotton Card Room Hand
Sarah Ann Shofflebottom 6 Newton, Cheshire, England Daughter
Ellen Shofflebottom 4 Newton, Cheshire, England Daughter
Hesketh Shofflebottom 2 Newton, Cheshire, England Son
Eliza Shore 16 Newton, Cheshire, England Boarder Cotton Weaver
John Shore 9 Newton, Cheshire, England Relative Cotton Minder
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2992; Folio: 78; Page: 40; GSU roll: 543061.
[image says Shufflebottom - correction submitted]
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Well, I was full of enthusiasm cos I was brought up in New Mills and live only 4 miles away, but I have to admit I am stuck. New Mills is full of Shufflebottoms/Shufflebothams of all shapes and sizes. No luck from me. Sorry. No father James showing up. William is more likely.
Coming to the conclusion he didn't know his father's name for sure.
Do you think Fanny's find is correct?
Did the birth cert give an occupation for the father?
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1871
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, William Head M 45 1826 Derbyshire (New Mills)Stone mason
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Ann Wife F 43 1828 Lancashire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Jane Daughter F 25 1846 Cheshire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Thomas Son M 22 1849 Cheshire(Hyde) Coal miner.
Maybe his fathers name was William James/James William ,many people alternated their names...
Of course the occupations of father from both certs may give a clue to it being the same man......
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Father on the census is definatly showing as William on the census
Im wondering if He (dad) middle name was William & his 1st name James
My 2x Gt G/Dad on his M/C & all the census was down as William but we could never find his birth.....It turned out he was registered at birth as Samuel & William was his middle name
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Think you need to find him on 1851/ 1861 census to see if he is living with his father.
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Don't forget there can be 2 spellings of Shufflebottom or Shufflebotham..
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1881
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Thomas Head Married M 32 1849 Coalminer
New Mills
Derbyshire
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Are the occupations of the fathers similar on both certs?
1901
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Thomas Boarder Married M 52 1849 Coal Miner
Hyde
Cheshire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Elizth Boarder Married F 48 1853
Cholesworth
Cheshire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, William Boarder Single M 27 1874 Coal Miner
Dukinfield
Cheshire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, James Boarder Single M 30 1871
Newton
Lancashire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, James Boarder M 8 1893
Hyde
Cheshire VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3787 Folio:
91 Page:
35
Registration District:
Ashton Under Lyne Sub District:
Audenshaw Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Audenshaw St Stephen's
Civil Parish:
Audenshaw Municipal Borough:
Address:
34, Guide Lane, Audenshaw County:
Lancashire
1891
HIGTON, Harriet Ann Head Single F 29 1862 Cotton Winder
New Mills
Derbyshire
SHUFFLEBOTHAM, Thos Brother In Law Married M 41 1850 Coal Miner
New Mills
Derbyshire
SHUFFLEBOTHAM, Elizabeth Sister In Law Married F 37 1854 Cotton Frame Tenter
Charlesworth
Derbyshire
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I am trying to find whether I have the correct birth certificate for my gg-grandfather Thomas Shufflebottom. He married Elizabeth Higton in 1872 and gave his fathers name on the marriage certificate as James Shufflebottom. His age was given as 'full age' so I checked the 1901 census which gave his age as 52 and his death certificate in 1906 gives his age as 56 so that would make his date of birth as 1849/1850. His place of birth on the 1901 census was quoted as Hyde, Cheshire.
I found what appeared to be the correct birth index Year: 1849 / Q2 Jun / District: Stockport / Vol: 19 / Pge: 325, so I ordered the certificate. However, when I checked it, the fathers name is shown as William Shufflebottom. So I decided to check other census to see if there was any discrepency there.
1891 & 1881 census shows place of birth as New Mills, Derbyshire but other people shown seem to match - 1871 & 1851 (cannot find him in 1861) I found a Thomas Shufflebottom of the right age but with the father as William Shufflebottom. I wonder if I have the right birth certificate or was he wrong when he gave his fathers name as James.
I have checked what parish records there are on Ancestry but have found no match. Does anyone know where I can check next to see which information is correct.
Anyones assistance would be much appreciated.
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