Find Ancestors

Hi, I bought a photo at a collectors fair and am trying to work out who the family is and then I would contact any decendant who had an online tree to see if they would like the photo.

The photo is dated, I think 1890's - 1900

It was taken in a studio in Wellington street, Woolwich, which might help narrow down the search

On the back it says Granny and Grandad Brown, Auntie Harriett, Auntie Alice and Auntie Polly.

I assume the Granny and Grandad are the parents of the girls in the photo.

I cannot find a Brown Family with all three girls names in it

The girls look to be aged 4 - 10 years old - youngest being around 4, oldest around 10 (in my opinion)

Any ideas?

Any help would be greatefully received x

Polly is possibly/probably a diminutive of Mary

Ah thank you ErikaH

What about Google Lens or something similar

Upload an image and see if the browser can find other results

What's the name of the photographer's studio?

Maybe we can narrow the timespan by when it was in business??



Of course, they might have had the photo taken while on holiday from somewhere else. Not a helpful thought!

ArgyllGran The photographer was Schriber & Dutton of 101 Wellington street Woolwich

Jink20 I have seen losts of their photos on Ebay so I think a Google scan will probably just ick up on similar family portraits

Thanks for all the ideas!

Only because they are in Woolwich.........and assuming the photo was taken before Edith was born............anything anyone posts is obviously bound to be speculative


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
76, Beresford Street, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Robert W Brown Head Married Male 29 1852 Genl labr Woolwich, Kent, England
Alice S Brown Wife Married Female 29 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
Harriet E Brown Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Woolwich, Kent, England
Mary A Brown Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Woolwich, Kent, England
Mary A Brown Mother Married Female 73 1808 - Woolwich, Kent, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
22, Beresford Street, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Robert W Brown Head Married Male 39 1852 Fitters labourer London, Middlesex, England
Alice S Brown Wife Married Female 39 1852 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Mary A G Brown Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Alice L Brown Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Woolwich, Kent, England
Edith F W Brown Daughter - Female 2 1889 - London, Middlesex, England

Numerous unidentified photos online taken by Schreiber and Dutton

George Dutton was at the address in 1881 and 1891................not in 1901

He was at a different address in 1871, and hadn't yet taken up photography. His occ: was Forgeman

In 1881 Albert Schreiber, photographer, born Germany, was a lodger

EDIT...ADDED

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
101, Wellington St W, Woolwich, London & Kent, England
Dinah Dutton Head Widow Female 53 1828 - Lancashire, England
George Dutton Son Single Male 32 1849 Photographer Lancashire, England
Amanda Dutton Daughter Single Female 25 1856 Milliner Cheshire, England
Margaret Dutton Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Artist (painter) Essex, England
Albert Schreiber Lodger Single Male 27 1854 Artist (photographer) Germany
Sarah Hauge Visitor Single Female 33 1848 - Lancashire, England
Clara Troy Servant Single Female 16 1865 Genl servt City of London, Middlesex, England

The photographer's name isn't much help after all.

From a Google search, they were in existence from at least 1855 until probably into the 1900's, but I can't find definite dates.

In June 1888 they were advertising in "The Photographic News" for "A young lady of good address for Reception-room duties. Experienced in Spotting and Mounting; must be able to Finish nicely. Preference given to one who can re-touch. Must also be able to attend to books. Send carte of self, reference and experience. Must be thoroughly practical"


Re 1855:
https://kent-opc.org/photographers.html

I don't suppose there's any indication of which girl is which?

George Dutton was a Forgeman in 1871 as per earlier post - as was his father

ADDED

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Waverley Terrace, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England
James P Dutton Head - Male 48 1823 Forgeman Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Dinah Dutton Wife - Female 43 1828 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
George Dutton Son - Male 22 1849 Forgeman Warrington, Lancashire, England
Nellie Dutton Daughter - Female 19 1852 Bonnet maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Dutton Daughter - Female 18 1853 Governess Hyde, Cheshire, England
Polly Dutton Daughter - Female 16 1855 Scholar Hyde, Cheshire, England
Amanda Dutton Daughter - Female 15 1856 Scholar Hyde, Cheshire, England
Maggie Dutton Daughter - Female 11 1860 Scholar Canning Town, Essex, England
Sarah Dutton Daughter - Female 10 1861 Scholar Canning Town, Essex, England
Thomas D Bell Cousin - Male - - Clerk Salford, Lancashire, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
101, Wellington Street, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Charles Lewin Head Married Male 63 1838 Hosier shop keeper St James's, London, England
Lydia Lewin Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Essex, England
Ethel M Carter Grand daughter Single Female 9 1892 School Forest Gate, Essex, England
Jane W Lewin Cousin Single Female 34 1867 House keeper Piccadilly, London, England
Constance E Taytor Visitor Single Female 32 1869 Professional nurse Long Eaton, Derbyshire, England
Fanny Jones Servant Single Female 17 1884 Servant domestic Kent, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
6, St Margarets Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England
George C Dutton Head Married Male 52 1849 Forgeman Warrington, Lancashire, England
Susanna Dutton Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Peckham, Surrey, England
Francis A Waters Mother-in-law Widow Female 75 1826 Living on own means Dorset, England
Ethel B Brooks Servant Single Female 19 1882 General domestic servant Woolwich, Kent, England

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
DUTTON George Carl Woolwich 1d 2221
WATERS Susanna Woolwich 1d 2221 S

Name George Carl Dutton
Age 57
Estimated Birth Year abt 1849
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Woolwich, London, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1906
Volume 1d
Page 658

Re ErikaH's suggested family of Browns in Woolwich:

Ancestry has Mary's middle initials as A J in 1891.

BROWN, MARY ANN JANE mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1087

BROWN, ALICE LOUISA mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1159

BROWN, HARRIET EMMA mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1041


If that's the right family, the person who wrote on the photo obviously must be a child of one of the girls' siblings - and probably Edith.


BROWN, EDITH FLORENCE WRIGHT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1256

The father Robert Wright Brown died in 1900, and in 1911 the mother Alice was living with unmarried Mary Ann Jane.

Sadly, five sons died in infancy:


BROWN, ROBERT WRIGHT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1111

Death - one of these:

BROWN, ROBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 677
BROWN, ROBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 617


BROWN, ROBERT WRIGHT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1114

Death:
BROWN, ROBERT WRIGHT 0
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 631


BROWN, BOB WRIGHT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1192

Death: BROWN, BOB WRIGHT 0
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 725


BROWN, ROBERT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1181

Death:
BROWN, ROBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 628


BROWN, JOHN ROBERT mmn POULTON
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1212

Death:
BROWN, JOHN ROBERT 0
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 659

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
Brown Edith F W Woolwich 1d 2505
BULSTRODE Edward Woolwich 1d 2505
Hoggins Annie Woolwich 1d 2505
Reed William F Woolwich 1d 2505

Name Mabel Eileen Reed
Baptism Age 0
Birth Date 24 May 1918
Baptism Date 30 Jun 1918
Baptism Place Walthamstow, St Stephen, Essex, England
Father William Francis Reed
Mother Edith Florence Wright Reed


Name Mabel Eileen Buttle
Death Date 24 Mar 1994
Death Place Easton Bristol
Probate Date 20 May 1994
Probate Registry Bristol

1939 Register
5 Meads Road, Durrington, Amesbury R.D., Wiltshire, England
William F Reed 05 Jul 1884 Male Blacksmith & Coachworks Married 17 1
Edith F Reed 23 Jan 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 17 2
Norris A Farrer 19 Aug 1914 Male Constructional Engrs Labourer Single 17 3
Albert H Liscoe 13 Aug 1910 Male Constructional Engineering Single 17 4
Sydney H Cleave 11 Mar 1916 Male Constructional Engineering Married 17 5

Edith married William F Reed in 1911.
She died on 9/1/69 , having been living at 5 Meads Road, Durrington, Wilts.

She and William had at least two other children:

Mary Beatrice, born 14/1/1912
Doris Elizabeth Alice, 31/7/1913


Mary Beatrice Reed
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1923
Name Mary Beatrice Reed
Baptism Age 1 [ wrong, based on wrong transcription of DOB]
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 14 Jan 1911 [1912]
Baptism Date 18 Feb 1912
Baptism Place St John, Woolwich, Greenwich, England
Father William Francis Reed
Mother Edith Florence Wright Reed



Mary Beatrice died unmarried, in Amesbury, on 25//12/1989.

Doris married William E Bramwell in 1933, and died 18/11/1962, having lived at 9 Larkhill Road, Durrington.

They had definitely two, possibly 4 children, born 1933(William John, died 2012), 1934, 1936, and 1939 (Eric, died 2017).

In 1939 Doris was living in Amesbury with 3 closed records.
William was presumably away in the forces.

Oh thank you everyone that is amazing, I will go through everything, I cannot thank you all enough!

Remember that we don't know if that family in Woolwich is the right one or not - it's just a guess!