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Jennifer
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23 Apr 2014 22:38 |
My Great Grandmother was Margaret Imrie b1859 Coatbridge Lanarkshire Scotland. She married John George Ede b1855 Soho London They married 1879
I have tried and tried to find Margaret Imrie's parents but with no luck
Please can anyone help me?
Thank you
Jenny
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jax
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23 Apr 2014 22:52 |
1861 Scotland Census about Margt Imrie Name: Margt Imrie Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: John Imrie Mother's name: Sarah Dixon Hartner Gender: Female Where born: Coatbridge, Lanark Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Railway Co's Land John Imrie 26 Sarah Dixon Hartner 27 Susan Imrie 4 Margt Imrie 2 James Imrie 2 Mo
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Jennifer
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23 Apr 2014 22:55 |
Thank you Jax thats brilliant XX
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MarieCeleste
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23 Apr 2014 23:50 |
Hello Jennifer, you may need to do some research on Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
It's a pay per view site but the credits are quite reasonably priced.
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Jennifer
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23 Apr 2014 23:52 |
Thank you Marie I will try that XX
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MarieCeleste
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23 Apr 2014 23:53 |
Their marriage gives a middle name for her:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: John George Ede Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1879 Registration district: Newport Pagnell Inferred County: Buckinghamshire Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 774
Records on Page: Name John George Ede Margaret Richardson Imrie
I'd be inclined to buy a copy of that marriage certificate to see what details it gives for her father.
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:00 |
Baptism???
Name: Margaret Imrie Gender: Female Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 18 Mar 1859 Birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Imrie Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Harkness Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11652-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
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MarieCeleste
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24 Apr 2014 00:03 |
This looks like her birth
1859 IMRIE MARGARET F OLD MONKLAND (MIDDLE DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/02 0177
(On Scotlands People)
This is additional info from Ancestry:
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 Name: Margaret Imrie Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Mar 1859 Birth Place: Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland Father: John Imrie Mother: Sarah Harkness FHL Film Number: 6035516
Doesn't explain that middle name of Richardson.
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:03 |
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Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910" Name: John Imrie Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Sarah Harkness Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 09 Dec 1853 Event Place: Johnstone By Lockerbie,Dumfries,Scotland Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11832-2 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1067964 Reference ID:
Dumfrieshire is given as Sarah Dixon Harkness/Hartner's birthplace in census 1861
For some reason the same marriage also has a different location...
Name: John Imrie Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Sarah Harkness Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 09 Dec 1853 Event Place: Kirkpatrick Juxta,Dumfries,Scotland Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11838-4 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1067966 Reference ID:
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:15 |
More detail on parents from census 1861:
Name: John Imrie Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Sarah Dixon Hartner Gender: Male Where born: Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Railway Co's Land Occupation: Platelayer
Name: Sarah Dixon Hartner Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Imrie Gender: Female Where born: Felheral, Dumfries<<<<<<<<<<< Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Railway Co's Land
John with possible parents in 1841?
Name: John Imrie Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Gender: Male Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Kirkpatrick Juxta<<<<<<<<<<<<< County: Dumfriesshire Address: Bearholm Parish Number: 838 Household Members: Name Age James Imrie 42 Susan Imrie 41 Mary Imrie 14 John Imrie 7<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< James Imrie 4 Susan Imrie 2 David Imrie 3 Mo
Baptism?
Name: John Imrie Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: , KIRKPATRICK JUXTA, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 22 Apr 1834 Birthplace: , Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: James Imrie Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Shusan Hall Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11838-4 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067966 Reference ID: - 2:1631SS0
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24 Apr 2014 00:20 |
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Sarah in 1841?
Name: Sarah Harkness Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Gender: Female Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Lochmaben County: Dumfriesshire Address: Hartwood Parish Number: 840 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harkness 30 Margaret Harkness 30 Sarah Harkness 7 Mary Harkness 5 ***Helena Harkness 2 ***Janet Harkness 6 Mo
*** EDIT: See possible baptisms with parents named Thomas Harkness and Margaret RICHARDSON, later in the thread
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:24 |
Just to show that a child of Susan Harkness and John Imrie has the middle name Hall, which ties in with the possible baptism and parents I posted for John Imrie previously. Susan also shows up in the 1861 census Jax posted.
Name: Susan Hall Imrie<<<<<<<< Gender: Female Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 19 Mar 1857 Birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Imrie Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Sarah Harkness Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11652-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:25 |
I still think it would be best to follow Marie Celeste's advice and get that 1879 marriage cert to check Margaret's father's details, to be sure we're following the right line.
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:31 |
Marriage for John Imrie's parents?
Name: James Imrie Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Susan Hall Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 08 Jul 1831 Event Place: Kirkpatrick Juxta,Dumfries,Scotland Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11838-4 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1067966 Reference ID:
Have been finding these records on the free site
https://familysearch.org
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 00:40 |
RE the middle name RICHARDSON on the marriage record for Margaret - this might be a possible answer.
I can't find a baptism as yet for Sarah Dixon Harkness.
However in the potential census 1841 I posted for her, possible parents are Thomas and Margaret, and there is a 6 month old child Janet Harkness also present.
I think this might be Janet's baptism, note her mother's name:
Name: Janet Harkness Gender: Female Christening Date: 11 Dec 1840 Christening Place: , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 28 Nov 1840 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Harkness<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Margaret Richardson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11840-4 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067968 Reference ID: 2:163DBCD.
This could be the birth for 2 yr old 'Helena' Harkness in that same 1841 census:
Name: Helen Nicholson Harkness Gender: Female Christening Date: 25 Nov 1838 Christening Place: , TORTHORWALD, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Harkness<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Margaret Richardson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11850-4 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1067971 Reference ID:
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Kucinta
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24 Apr 2014 09:08 |
Family of Thomas Harkness and Margaret Richardson in 1851:
Name: Thomas Harkness Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1812 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Harkness Gender: Male Where born: Hutton, Dumfriesshire Parish Number: 813A Civil Parish: Applegarth and Sibbaldbie County: Dumfriesshire Address: Upperhall
Occupation: Shepherd
Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harkness 39 c1812 Hutton, Dumfriesshire Margaret Harkness 42 c1809 Dryferdale, Dumfriesshire Helen Harkness 12 c1849 Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire Janet Harkness 10 c1841 Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire *Margaret Harkness 8 c1843 Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire ***David Harkness 4 Mo c1851 Tundergarth, Dumfriesshire **Hannah Harkness 10 Mo c1850 Applegarth, Dumfriesshire
*Name: Margaret Harkness Gender: Female Christening Date: 28 Aug 1843 Christening Place: , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 13 Aug 1843 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Harkness Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Margaret Richardson Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11840-4 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067968 Reference ID: 2:163DJN9
**Name: Hannah Harkness Gender: Female Christening Date: Christening Place: , APPLEGARTH, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 23 May 1850 Birthplace: , Applegarth, Dumfries, Scotland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Harkness Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Margaret Richardson Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11813-4 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067956 Reference ID: - 2:160F360
I think David must have been 4 yrs rather than 4 months, and there is this baptism that would more or less fit that scenario. Mother is transcribed Mary Richardson, wonder if the orioinal said Marg Richardson?
***Name: David Harkness Gender: Male Christening Date: 18 Dec 1846 Christening Place: , TUNDERGARTH, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 08 Dec 1846 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Harkness Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Richardson Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11851-2 System Origin: Scotland-VR GS Film number: 1067971 Reference ID: - 2:1649T6M
EDIT: In census 1861 David is aged 14.
This may be Sarah in census 1851:
Name: Sarah Harkness Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relationship: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire Parish Number: 813A Civil Parish: Applegarth and Sibbaldbie County: Dumfriesshire Address: Upper Cleugh Occupation: House Servant ED: 3 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 4 LINE: 18 Roll: CSSCT1851_205 Household Members: Name Age William Jardine 29 Elizabeth Dinwiddie 70 Margaret Jardine 38 Sarah Harkness 18 William Wallace 45 John Harkness 18 John Roddick 16
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24 Apr 2014 19:56 |
JAX, MARIECELESTE & KUCINTA
Thank you all so very much for all this information. I was really stuck with my Imrie ancestors there seemed so many Imrie's and alot of Margarets I was getting very confused.
Going to go and look through everything now..I can't tell you how grateful I am to you, THANK YOU.
Jenny <3
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