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i know i should be doing it myself obviously i can't i was just trying to do a nice thing foralovely lady sorry I'm not that intelligent all i wassailing for was help thank you

From what Susan says, and from Jacqueline's note re Porth, it looks as if the birth and death I posted for Idris are correct.

I was going by the place of residence............

There are too many of them to be sure!

For example, this one was also born in Llanwonno as was the above:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Clarence St Miskin Mountain Ash, Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
David S Williams Head Married Male Engine Fitter Above 36 1875 Llanwonno Glam

Margeret Williams Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Llanwonno Glam

Idris J Williams Son - Male - 5 1906 Llanwonno Glam

Margeret Davies Mother In Law Widow Female - 65 1846 Glam Merthyr Tydvil

Thomas Davies Brother In Law Single Male Engine Fitter Above 39 1872 Llanwonno Glam

John Rees Williams Brother Single Male Winding Engine Driver 32 1879 Llanwonno Glam

Taliesyn Williams Brother Single Male Electric Fitter Above 22 1889 Llanwonno Glam

You would need at least the marriage cert to find who the father was.

Dea x

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Charles St Porth, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Williams Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 49 1862 Glamorgan Eglwysilan Transcription
Eleanor Williams Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Cardigan Aberystwgth Transcription
Jane Williams Mother In Law Widow Female - 72 1839 Cardigan Llanafan Transcription
Evan Thomas Williams Son Single Male Pupil Teacher 18 1893 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Arianwen Williams Daughter - Female School 14 1897 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Arthur Ewart Williams Son - Male - 9 1902 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Editha Jane Williams Daughter - Female - 7 1904 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Idris John Williams Son - Male - 4 1907 Glamorgan Llanwonno Transcription
Menrig Owen Williams Son - Male - 2 1909 Glamorgan Llanwonno

Looks like another Williams/Williams marriage!

Porth (Welsh: Y Porth) is a village and a community in the county borough of Rhondda Cynon Taf, within the historic county boundaries of Glamorgan, Wales, lying in the Rhondda Valley and is regarded as the gateway to the Rhondda Fawr and Rhondda Fach valleys because both valleys meet at Porth. The Welsh word "porth" means "gate" when translated into English. Porth is a predominantly English-speaking community.

Neighbouring villages include Trealaw, Trebanog, Trehafod and Ynyshir.

Rhondda is in the Pontypridd registration district

Please don't keep repeating yourself about Evelyn's birth...........that was posted on page one

Do some research!!!!!!!

eveyln was born east ham memorial hosp in july 1945 he'd dad was born in 3oth june 1906 in porth south wales

Possible birth of Jane - assuming she was born in Anglesey, as she was married there:

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
Williams Jane Ellen Holyhead 11b 464

IF that's him - BIG IF - this could be his birth:

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Williams Idris John Pontypridd 11a 570

There's this death - I wonder if that could be Idris? Death 1990 instead of 1996?

Idris John Williams
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Idris John Williams
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1906
Date of Registration: Apr 1990
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: De Meirionnydd
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Volume: 25
Page: 314

So go to freebmd and find the marriage

You really should try to do some of this yourself...............
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(IF the info is now accurate)

I found it easily, so here it is...................and it puts a whole different slant on things


Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Williams Idris J Williams Anglesey E. 11b 1755
Williams Jane E Williams Anglesey E. 11b 1755

Not that there's a death in 1996 for Idris J Williams.........

ok just found out eveylns dad was born in north south wales in 30 june mum was born 25 dec 1901 north wales they married 1939 eveyln was born in east ham memoramble hosp hr dad died in 1996 mum died in 2008

Does Evelyn have any children?

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Looks like there was one son, who is in Upminster to 2014.

Can't you ask him for info about his grandparents?

IF you had started this a year ago, you MIGHT have had a chance of having it done for next month

With a name like Williams in Wales, you'll need to buy certs to get any sort of factual info

You say you want to do the tree.................

So, have you tried doing any research?

Unknown ...Your post is a bit confusing to read.
Please use some full stops

ill find out i know she was born n xmas day died in upminter

sorry should have asked when she died

she was 105 i think

could this be the mother's birth

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Williams Jennifer Merthyr T. 11a 846

if you know how old she was when she died might then know if this is her birth