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Tracking that same John Thomas backwards - he seems to have been married to a Rachel on the 1851 census. Possible death for Rachel in 1852.

Do you have any info from that marriage?

Just so we know we're on the right track, is this the correct family?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
131, Nolton Street, Lower Coyty, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Thomas Head Married Male 80 1801 Farm Labourer Tavistock, Devon
Elizabeth Thomas Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Swansea, Glamorgan
Margaret Thomas Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Anne Thomas Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Thomas Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan
Catherine Thomas Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
John Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 - Cowbridge, Glamorgan
William H Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 - Bridgend, Glamorgan
Jane Smith Visitor Widow Female 64 1817 - Highworth, Wiltshire

You mention in the opening post "There was a wedding in Wenvoe in1852 but the grooms fathers name is different to the census."

What were you expecting the father's name to be? I must admit, I can't decipher the groom's father's name from that Wenvoe record, here's a snip from it:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/18534151

Re: the Swansea marriage just above - the Glamorgan marriages on FindMyPast show that Thomas John Randell and Elizabeth Thomas married on 19 Sep 1852 at St James', Swansea so you can rule that one out.

Yes, two couples per record shown on Freebmd at that time

11a 632 is the page number in the Index book at GRO


I think the two couples are

RANDELL Thomas John Swansea
REES Mary Swansea

and

THOMAS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS John Swansea 11a 632


but you could prove it by looking in the 1861 and 1871 censuses to see if Thomas Randell has a wife called Mary


I can't do it for you as I have to go out.

The 11A 632 seems most likely . but they are all the same number

the 1881 census gives his age as 80 and hers as 50. 1871 gives ages of 67 and 39 1861 40 and 30 ???

Thanks I'll check on these . there is a difference in john Thomas age on the different census The later census has a 20 year age gap between him and his wife but the earlier census gives different ages

John Thomas

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name John Thomas
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1852
Registration District Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Event Place Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A
Page 632
Line Number 21

John Thomas probably married one of the following people

Name Elizabeth Thomas

?????????? probably Clovelly



John Thomas

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Enumeration District 7f
Gender Male
Age 36
Marital Status Married
Occupation Porter
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Birthplace Rovelly
Entry Number 8
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5451/0118


John Thomas Head M 36 Rovelly
Elizabeth Thomas Wife F 36 Llangennith
Thomas Thomas Son M 12 Swansea, Glamorganshire
William Thomas Son M 9 Swansea, Glamorganshire
John Thomas Son M 5 Swansea, Glamorganshire
George Francis Thomas Son M 2 Swansea, Glamorganshire

John Thomas

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Swansea, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Enumeration District 19f
Gender Male
Age 37
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1834
Birthplace England
Entry Number 5
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5454/0173


John Thomas Head M 37 England
Elizabeth Thomas Wife F 44 Swansea, Glamorganshire
David Peterson Son M 17 Swansea, Glamorganshire
Paul Peterson Son M 15 Swansea, Glamorganshire
Hanah Peterson Daughter F 12 Swansea, Glamorganshire

just for reference

Name John Thomas
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 15 Aug 1852
Event Place Wenvoe, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Thomas

from freebmd

possible??????????


Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
RANDELL Thomas John Swansea 11a 632
REES Mary Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 632
THOMAS John Swansea 11a 632

I am looking for a wedding in Swansea between John Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas I have found Banns on find my past for Wenvoe (which is vale of Glamorgan )
I enquired from Bridgend local history and was told that they were the grooms Banns, the bride was from Swansea and the wedding was there . so I would have to apply there for the records .
I contacted Swansea registry office ,but they have replied that they have done a five year search and cannot find a record of the wedding there .
The Groom was originally from Devon . I have traced his family on the census . There was a wedding in Wenvoe in1852 but the Brides fathers name is different .
to the census.
. Edited this : I originally said that the Grooms fathers name was different it was the Brides father I thought was wrong .