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sorry Dea I cant scan :-( may be able to take pic and ad that way tonight ..

the witnesses to john fisher 36 bachelor dock labourer and sarah ann Thompson 33 spinster were a john winn and x of lisa jane redman

both parents deceased johns --Edward fisher ship riveter
sarah ann --Richard Thompson painter

ha ha guess who has signed the copy cert I got in 2011 a deputy superintendant H Thompson !!! ha ha

Christine x

thanks for finding that info choccy and Maddie .. it may be him !!!

dea if your head is battered and you a pro imagine how I feel :-)

am going to try contact the lady again who has the Henrietta in her tree she told me when I started looking few years back it was no connection but she keeps popping up !!

this is what she told me about her info ..the sarah Thompson in her tree ( parents were Thomas Thomson and ann metcalfe ) was married to a peter chapman but her ( sarahs ) sister was Henrietta who married a john fisher ..

on my sarah marriage 1914 cert her father is Richard Thompson deceased , the 1911c of the add given on cert (malings rig) show a Thomas Thompson and his family living there ..a john fisher joins them at that add in 1912 on electoral roll..

could the Thomas Thompson be sarahs uncle ?? looking after after father died

why isn't everything just straight forward ?

Christine x

Who were the witnesses on his marriage cert please?

Is it possible for you to scan the cert into 'keepsafes' on here so we can look at that signature too? (presuming that the cert shows the actual signatures and they have not been transcribed !)

Dea x

If you compare the signature with that of the John married to Henrietta on 1911, who incidentally is a ship's rivetter, apart from the later one being more confident, I would say they are the same person.

However, unless we have the wrong one on 1891 census at 50 Vine St. then I don't understand why he should have that address on his record????

I am totally confused here !

I couldn't find a marriage which I was happy with for that John + Henrietta AND when I looked at John + Henrietta on 1901 they had a visitor there - Mary Cumuskey ? I traced her back to this marriage where there were 2 Mary's and one was Mary Thompson !!

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Allison Henry Sunderland 10a 813
**CUMISKEY James Sunderland 10a 813
**Thompson Mary Sunderland 10a 813 ???
THURSBY Mary Sunderland 10a 813

I am beginning to think that 'our' John flitted from woman to woman and finally settled with Sarah :-S :-0

Dea x

Address is the same as census record in 1891 - 50 Vine Street. Signature is very similar on both sets of military records.

Choccy
he worked for Mr Cockburn at Ashton's shipyard and he was a riviter
he had tattoo's
discharged as totally medically unfit

Could someone look at this? Address given as 50 Vine Street, Sunderland (same address as 1891 census posted above)

(on FMP)

British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s) JOHN

Last name FISHER

Birth year 1878

Birth parish BISHOPWEARMOUTH

Birth town SUNDERLAND

Birth county DURHAM

Birth country ENGLAND

Service number 3059

Rank -

Regiment -

Document Type Attestation

Attestation year 1898

Attestation Day 21

Attestation Month 3

Attestation age years 20

Attestation age months 3

Attestation Corps DURHAM ARTILLERY (W D R A)

Attestation service number 3059

Series WO96 militia service records 1806-1915

Box 1339

Box Record Number 60

Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

(signature of John Fisher could be the same) - if this is him he was I think in South Africa in 1901 - discharged in 1902

I couldn't find any of John's family in 1901!

thanks Margaret but don't think purse strings will stretch to another subscription ..

oh and after looking all night still haven't found 1901 :--(

Christine x

The war records are also on Ancestry.

thanks Maddie never heard of that site may give it a look ..

Christine x

found the war record on find my past
why not take a free trial and then cancel your card if you do not want to stay :-)

Dea are the records you refer to the war ones on here ? if so im hoping that I get them ( or money towards ) for my birthday then I can view

Christine x

Dea + Shirley that could be correct as his son my grandfather john was born 13.11.1911 so he would have been the illigitamet boy and have Catherine as born jan 1914 the girl
so maybe then they got married in 1914 before he went off to war ??? and on the 1911 c when it said how long have they been married could they have just put how long they had been together ?

still cant find him in 1901 tho !!!

Christine x

I agree, Shirley, makes sense.

My guess would be they lived together but in order to cover the births they stated married on the 1911 census

in order for him to have his wife get an army allotment they did marry in 1914 but having had children before then he stated them as illgitimate

i have the same in my family two chidren born post 1911 ,births are reg as if they were married but they married in late 1914 when the hubby joined up for ww1

sorry Margaret your right ... I apologise no the wonder

my head battered ( will edit post ) ..

its his mam Catherine she was in the 1881 and 1891 c

Christine x

Although there is possibly a year old boy:

Fisher Wilfred H Thompson Sunderland 10a 1604

maybe its the other way round the boy is 3 and the girl is 11 months

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Fisher John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1386


Births Mar 1914
FISHER Catherine Thompson Sunderland 10a 1498

But that's not what you said on your first post, Christine, you said he was married to Catherine on the 1911 census. That's why none of us could find it.