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Thank you to those who helped me before. I have another problem now, I cannot find my Bourner family on the 1861 and 1871 censuses.
I have Charles Bourner born 1834 Ashburnham Battle sussex on the 1841 and 1851 censuses with wife Sophia. I have him as a widower on the 1881 census with 3 of his children Mary A Bourner. William Bourner. and Walter Bourner whose line I an tracing.
I have a marriage record for a daughter Sophia L Bourner in oct-Dec 1866 registered in Battle so still living in that area. She is on the 1851 census along with other siblings. I have tried all names but nothing comes up for them on 1861 and 1871 censuses any ideas?
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1861 With a Sarah not a Sophia! Have you got your lines crossed somewhere?
BOURNES, Charles Head Married M 27 1834 Inn Keeper
Battle
Sussex VIEW
BOURNES, Sarah Wife Married F 28 1833 House Keeper
Catsfield
Sussex VIEW
BOURNES, Mary A Daughter F 2 1859
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNES, William Son M 1 1860
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNES, Caroline Sister Unmarried F 15 1846
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
ADAMS, Elizabeth Servant Married F 55 1806 Assistant
Crowhurst
Sussex VIEW
Ashburnham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ash Tree Inn, Brown Bread Street, Ashburnham County:
Sussex
I'm confused.
is this the Sophia who was married in 1866. Her father Charles was born 1805??
BOURNER, Charles Head Married M 46 1805 Farmer
Crowhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Sophia Wife Married F 43 1808 Farmer
Battle
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Mary A Daughter F 14 1837 Farmer Daur
Battle
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, James Son M 12 1839 Scholar
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
>>>BOURNER, Sophia L Daughter F 10 1841 Farmers Daur
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Maria Daughter F 8 1843 Farmers Daur
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846 Farmers Daur
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Jane Daughter F 3 1848 Farmers Daur
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Stephen Son M 1 1850 Farmers Daur
Penhurst
Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, William Brother Unmarried M 60 1791 Farm Lab
Battle
Sussex VIEW
Charles Bourner born 1834 married Sarah Adams in 1857 in Battle
Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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>>Adams Sarah Battle 2b 59
>>Bourner Charles Battle 2b 59
Clinch Maria Battle 2b 59
Offen James Battle 2b 59
Sophia L Bourner married William Lovell in 1866
LOVELL, William Head M 52 1819 Sussex VIEW
LOVELL, Sophia L Wife F 30 1841 Sussex VIEW
FULLER, Naomi Servant F 14 1857 Sussex VIEW
Penhurst County:
Sussex
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could this be your family in 1871
BOURNER, Charles Head M 37 1834 Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Sarah Wife F 39 1832 Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Mary A Daughter F 12 1859 Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, William Son M 11 1860 Sussex VIEW
BOURNER, Walter Son M 7 1864 Sussex VIEW
SHEPPARD, Jane Servant F 22 1849 Not Known VIEW
Piece:
1037 Folio:
56 Page:
19 Registration District:
Battle
Civil Parish:
Ashburnham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Brownbread Street, Ashburnham County:
Sussex
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Astra and lesley thanks a bundle for sorting that out for me I was still looking for the father Charles b 1806 and Mother Sophia born 1810 Doh!!
not the Charles who is 7 on 1841 census.
1841
Charles 35
Sophia 30
Eliza 13
Charles 7
Mary 4
James 2
Sophia 8 months
Elizabeth mother 75
William 50 listed as brother on the 1851 census.
1881
Charles widower 47 born 1834 he is the son aged 7 on the 1841 census.
you are right I have been looking for his father and mother on 1861 / 71
censuses ( Charles and Sophia) so his wife's name as you say is Sarah keep forgetting how often sons have same name as father generation to generation.
thanks again Pat
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I still cannot locate them on the 1861 and 1871 censuses even with the info you gave me. The confusion over Sophia is because Charles obviously married again and I was working back from 1911 census here the family
1891 England Census
about Walter Bourner
Name: Walter Bourner
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Bourner
Mother's Name: Sophia Bourner
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashburnham, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Ashburnham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashburnham
Town: Ashburnham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Bexhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 768
Folio: 79
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Bourner 56
Sophia Bourner 57
William Bourner 31
Walter Bourner 27
Fanny Hardy 17
1881 census
Name: Charles Bourner
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Battle, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Ashburnham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: Frankwell
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Farm Bailiff
Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Battle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1035
Folio: 50
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pinyon 34
Charles Bourner 47
Mary A. Bourner 21
William Bourner 20
Walter Bourner 17
Rhoda Pankhurst 17
Edward Moore 25
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Where are you getting your information from? I'm still drawing a blank using England censuses on Ancestry
. Using the information you gave me for 1861 this is all that I'm getting in response.
Name: Charles C Bommer
[Charles Edward Bourner]
Birth: abt 1839 - Wimbledon, Surrey, England
Residence: 1861 - Wimbledon, Surrey, England
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Charles Barnard
Spouse: Amy Barnard
Birth: abt 1832 - Sullington, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Sullington, Sussex, England
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1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Charles Burner
Birth: abt 1836 - Hambleton, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Plymouth Sound, Vessels, Cornwall, England
1861 England Census
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Edward Barnard
Spouse: Sarah Barnard
Birth: abt 1832 - Ashburnham, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Herstmonceux, Sussex, England
1861 England Census
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Charles E Brenner
Birth: abt 1837 - London, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1861 - Chichester St Andrew, Sussex, England
1861 England Census
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Mary Bourner
Spouse: William Bourner
Birth: abt 1833 - Hellingly, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Heathfield, Sussex, England
1861 England Census
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Thomas Bourner
Birth: abt 1834 - Rye, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Off Blackwall, Vessels, Kent, England
1861 England Census
1861 UK Census Collection
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Name: Eliza Bourner
Birth: abt 1832 - Maresfield, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Buxted, Sussex, England
I've checked using his wife's name and details and nothing coming up except more as the above. Usually if you find the family on the 1881 census a box at the side will come up with the same name and details for other censuses but the only other one is for 1891
This is sooooooo!! frustrating
:-S
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Just tried the Genes 1861 census records and guess what?
Help
matches for Charles Bourner in the 1861 Census
This table shows all the names that match your search in the 1861 Census Records.
There are no matches :-S :-S :-S
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Thanks allotment
That's great I have them now. The hand written name on the actual census
clearly reads Bourner especially on 1861 :-)
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Please I hope you are still interested in Charles and Sophia.
Sophia was born in Battle daughter of Stephen Bourner and Charles was the son of James Bourner. The pair were cousins.
The Charles and Sarah people are confusing you with are Charles Lewes Bourner and his wife (this Charles was the son of Ann Bourner daughter of James Bourner and her husband, Stephen Bourner junior. Again a cousin marriage.)
I have tried to find Charles and Sophia in the 1861 census as well especially as Sophia was buried at Penhurst later in the 1860s. Personally I believe Ancestry does not have Penhurst, Sussex on their 1861 census coverage.
Please contact me if you would like the burial records or anything else I can offer on Charles and Sophia.
Charles was the brother of my own ancestor Thomas Bourner 1798. Their father was James Bourner as was their grandfather.
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Nicola, this is a fairly old post and trish may not still be following it. If you click on her name, you can send her a message through GR and if she still has the same email address, they will notify her.
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I think Nicola is right
for those who have Ancestry
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/SSXRG9_565_569-0207/7531899?backurl=
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I'm sorry about those links but it's the only way to do it - you would have to paste the link back together to go there, I had to break them up so as not to break the thread
that page is the description in 1861 of district 12 in Battle which is Penhurst but there are no other pages, only the district description
'The Whole of the Parish of Penurst ...'
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JoonieCloonie - use a URL shortening site such as http://goo.gl/ so you don't "break" threads. :-)
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Lazy, and I don't like them :-)
I like to know where I'm being taken to when I click on a link ...
but mostly lazy :-D
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