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My great grandfather James Tuohey 1861-1915 was married to Frances Fry 1856-1900. Her parents were Thomas Fry and his wife was also Frances. How do I find her Maiden name?
Also James Tuohey's father John Tuohey was born in Ireland in 1829. How can I discover where in Ireland? He seems to have come from Ireland to Dover before 1857 and were living in Tynemouth by 1869

From the 1861 census of the Fry family Mary is showing the eldest child bn 1847,




a marriage in 1846 of Thomas Fry to Frances *Thompson* took place in South Shields looks a possible.

Findmypast have some Irish records,,you can take out a months sub to view them,,,,,,,,there is a John Tuohey bn 1829 listed in workhouse records but its a popular name so unless you have any other information to back details up then its not 100% surety its your relative.

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Coburg Street, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>John Tuohey Head - Male 41 1830 - Ireland
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Lydia F Tuohey Wife - Female 34 1837 - Kent, England
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John C Tuohey Son - Male 14 1857 - Kent, England
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>>James Tuohey Son - Male 10 1861 - Kent, England
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Harriet H Tuohey Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Kent, England
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George W Tuohey Son - Male 6 1865 - Northumberland, England
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Charles E Tuohey Son - Male 3 1868 - Northumberland, England
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Thomas W Tuohey Son - Male 0 1871 - Northumberland, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Victoria Crescent, North Shields, Chirton, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Tuohey Head Married Male 40 1861 Joiner Dover, Kent, England
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Frances Tuohey Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
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Frances Tuohey Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
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Honora F Tuohey Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
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Lydia M Tuohey Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
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Harriett Tuohey Niece - Female 5 1896 - North Shields, Northumberland, England


James' birth.


First name(s) James
Last name Tuohey
Gender Male
Baptism year 1861
Baptism date 27 Jan 1861
Residence Dover, Kent, England
Place Dover
County Kent
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Tuohey
Mother's first name(s) Lydia Finch
Mother's last name Tuohey

Presumably this is the family in 1881?

Name: John Tuokey
[John Tuohey]
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Lydia F. Tuokey
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Tynemouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 58 Grey St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 5082
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
John Tuokey 51
Lydia F. Tuokey 44
James Tuokey 20
Harriett P. Tuokey 18
George W. Tuokey 16
Charles E. Tuokey 13
Daniel F. Tuokey 8
Lydia M. Tuokey 5
William P. Tuokey 3
Thomas E. Tuokey 1
Benjamin Shack 5


His marriage certificate would give you at least his father's name which would narrow the field down:

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
Kite Lydia Finch Dover 2a 1332
TUOHEY John Dover 2a 1332

If John was born in 1829, there are these possibilities from RootsIreland:

Church Baptism Toohey John 1829 Co. Tipperary
Church Baptism Touhy John 1829 Co. Limerick
Church Baptism Tuohy John 1829 Co. Tipperary

There were 40 John Tuohey's (or variant spelling) born 1829 +/- 5 years, in various places in Ireland.

If you subscribe to the website, you can view the details. (Not much help, though, as you still won't know which one is the right person - though as Beverley suggests, his marriage cert would give his father's name.) Shortest sub is £18 for 1 month.
http://www.rootsireland.ie/

His parents' marriage.


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First name(s) John
Last name Tuohey
Birth year 1828
Marriage year 1855
Marriage day 10
Marriage month Dec
Place Hougham, St Lawrence
Spouse's first name(s) Lydia Finch
Spouse's last name Kite
Groom's age 27
Groom's father's first name(s) James
Groom's father's last name Tuohey
Bride's age 19
Bride's father's first name(s) James Finch
Bride's father's last name Kite
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/49/1/8
Year range 1837-1879
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John was in 'The Preventative Service'. His father James, was a labourer. Thomas Finch Kite and Emily Kite were witnesses.

The Preventive Service was a sort of early coastguard/customs & excise service.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENBRIT/1998-07/0901048493

A long shot - would the Preventive Service have had anything to do with the army? Or maybe he joined them when he left the army??

John Twohey
in the 1851 England Census

Name: John Twohey
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kellarney, Kerry, Ireland
Civil Parish: Carisbrooke
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England:
Occupation: Private Soldier
Condition as to marriage: single
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: Parkhurst Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1663
Folio: 361
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
John Twohey 22

The mother's details will be on this cert


Births Sep 1856 (>99%)
Fry Frances Tynemouth 10b 133

Thank you for your help everyone. Lots of good information here! :-)

Thomas Fry
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name:
Thomas Fry
Age (Original):
59
Gender:
Male
Birth Year:
1822
Birthplace:
Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Occupation:
Boatman (W Man)
Address:
39 Percy Square
Event Place:
Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Publication Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
5081 / 72
Page Number:
33
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Fry Head M 59 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Frances Fry Wife F 63 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Mary Fry Daughter F 34 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Frances Fry Daughter F 24 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Henrietta Fry Daughter F 21 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
William Fry Son M 19 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Thomas Fry
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Thomas Fry
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Gender:
Male
Age:
49
Relationship to Head of Household:
Self
Birthplace:
Tynemouth, Northumberland
Schedule Type:
Household
Registration District:
Tynemouth
Sub-District:
Tynemouth
Parish:
Tynemouth
County:
Northumberland
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Fry Self M 49 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Francis Fry Wife F 53 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Mary Fry Daughter F 24 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Isabella Fry Daughter F 23 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Thomas Fry Son M 19 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Elizabeth Fry Daughter F 17 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Frances Fry Daughter F 14 Tynemouth, Northumberland
Henrietta Fry Daughter F 11 Tynemouth, Northumberland
William Fry Son M 9 Cullercoats, Northumberland

the age matches 1818 for frances in census

Frances Thompson
England Births and Christenings
Name:
Frances Thompson
Gender:

Female
Christening Date:
17 Jun 1818
Christening Place:
Tweedmouth, Northumberland, England
Father's Name:
John Thompson
Mother's Name:
Isabella

Frances Thompson
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name:
Frances Thompson
Event Type:
Marriage
Registration Quarter:
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year:
1846
Registration District:
South Shields
County:
Durham
Event Place:
South Shields, Durham, England
Volume:
24
Page:
166
Line Number:
34

Frances Thompson probably married one of the following people
Name: Thomas Fry

Here's a search in the local index at:
http://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/9966/Register-Search

Frances THOMPSON married Thomas HOY on 11 Mar 1846
Register: GRO Entry: 403

S Tyne provide a Register key:
http://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/10778/Marriage-indexes
GRO is not on the list, but it's my guess it's the registrar's own register which would contain rego office marrs, and non-conformist marrs.
Pre-1899, only C of E, jews, quakers (& the registrars) were authorized to keep official marr rego's, so a registrar would have to attend any non-conformist marr with his official marr rego for the couple to sign to complete the marr ceremony.

It also looks like there's some transcription issues with the groom's surname.

Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
Fry Thomas S Shields 24 166
LYNN William South Shields 24 166
Mitchell David South Shields 24 166
Mitchell Mary Ann South Shields 24 166
Parker Frances South Shields 24 166
Rankin Eliza S Shields 24 166
Thompson Frances S Shields 24 166
Turnbull William Sth Shields 24 166