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Patrick's birth was registered as John Patrick- his service record confirms it's him living at 27 Mayfair Street, Belfast- parents James and Mary:

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription
First name(s) John Patrick
Last name Morrison
Age 18
Birth year 1898
Birth town Shankill
Birth county Antrim
Service number 4/24527
Regiment Royal Irish Fusiliers
Unit / Battalion 4th Battalion
Year 1916
Residence town Belfast
Series WO 364

1911: Residents of a house 13 in Mayfair Street (Clifton, Antrim)
Morrison James 60 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Morrison Mary 61 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Morrison Hannah 35 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Charles 33 Male Son Roman Catholic
Morrison Ann 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Elizabeth 17 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison David 20 Male Son Roman Catholic
Morrison Mary 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Morrison Patrick 11 Male Son Roman Catholic
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Now we know that William was born and married as just William (no John), I'm thinking the 1903 marriage is unlikely to be his first marriage?

Oh my you have all done so well and i will now have to rearrange my husbands family ,I am ever so greatful for your help you have done Fantastic thank you Nellie

Well I thought the same as you re Mary's age given eldest daughter Hannah was 25 I am thinking Mary was nearer 50 than 40 mind she could have been in her 40's when she had Patrick...Charles is not married on the Barrack Returns.

Hi Eringobragh

I did see the 1901 census for Mary and family, I cant locate the child Patrick birth 1900c also Mary is shown as 40yrs yet aged 60 in 1911 I do know the census can be "out" but 20yrs is a lot.

Its unusual for no marriage to show on Roots unless its been miscribed. I was wondering if the child Patrick was a child of Marys son William or even Charles as he was shown as widower.

We have done well to unravel the family this far.

Maureen The only Ellen Pitt I can find 1901 is living in Crimea Street with sister and Bro in law Rbt. Heany she is 27 which if it was her marrying Wm J Morrison would make her a good few years older plus she is Pres.

This would be Mary Morrison (wife of James) 1901

Residents of a house 37.2 in Glenpark Street (Clifton Ward, Antrim)

Morrison Hannah 25 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner Read - Not Married -
Morrison Margaret 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Flax Spinner Read - Not Married -
Morrison Jane 14 Female Daughter
**Morrison Mary** 40 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Belfast House Keeper Cannot read write - Married -
Morrison David 10 Male Son
Morrison Patrick 1 Male Son

Charles b Scotland (1911 Census) is a Private in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers in Victoria Barracks Henry St.

If your William was married to Hannah O'Hagan they are in the 1911 Census in Belfast, as you find,William's parents James Morrison and Mary McManus lived in 13 Mayfair Street in 1911 census. The other family of James and Agnes McAULEY
will not be yours as their son William was still single by 1911.

children of James Morrison and Mary McManus

Jane 14 Kent Street June 1880

*WILLIAM 16 Kent Street 14 May 1882 take no notice of exact day month as Birth baptism and reg dates can all be slightly different, a Catholic may go by Baptism date rather than Birth Date.

James and Margaret Morrison 7 Gardiner Street 16 June 1884
Mary Jane Gardiner Street May 1887
David James 35 Stanhope ST June 1891
Elizabeth Mar 1894
Hanna 1875
Charles born in Scotland according to census of 1911.

The marriages in 1903 William Morrison I have matched the other people and the only couple left are William Morrison and Ellen Pitt, there are no records on Rootsireland for this marriage or children to this couple.

to be honest i don,t really have any facts when i first tried looking for william according to some of my little notes i had him born in 1882 then for some reason i have changed it to 1880 ,i remember my mother in law saying granny Hannah was only 4 feet tall but when she wanted one of her sons they dropped what they were doing and went ,i have no idea where william and Hannah died i just assumed it was Ireland my husbands father came over to England about 1957 to look for work then his wife and family joined him in 1959 and they lived in Yorkshire im sorry i don,t know much about the family but it show,s we should have asked more when they were alive Nellie

Nellie- what are the facts that you are certain about?

Are you certain that your husband's Grandad married Hannah O'Hagan?

If you are certain of this then it appears that you have the wrong date of birth for William and the wrong parents.

Do you know when and where William and Hannah died?

I get most of my information on Familysearch.org

Haven't time to check it now as I have to go out but there is a 12 year old Elizabeth Morrison with grandparents James and Mary Morrison in 1911. In 1901 she is a granddaughter with the Lawless family.

Possible earlier marriage?

First name(s) William John
Last name Morrison
Registration year 1903
Registered Quarter/Year Apr - Jun 1903
Registration district Belfast
Volume 1 Page 331

William John Morrison married one of these people:
Ellen Pitt,
Isabella Hayes,
Jane Kirkpatrick,
Grace Brooke Hamilton

Country Ireland
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If this was a sister, then you have the wrong birth date:

Name Jane Morrisson
Gender Female
Birth Date 11 Jun 1880
Birthplace Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name James Morrisson
Mother's Name Mary Morrisson Mcmanus

Perhaps a sister for your William?

Hanna Morrison
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1875
Birth Place: Antrim, Ireland
Father: James Morrison
Mother: Mary Mcmanus
FHL Film Number: 255934

The marriage of 21 July 1906 Sacred Heart Church Belfast

William Morrison Hannah O'Hagan
70 Ardilea Street 70 Ardilea Street
RC RC
Over 21 Over 21
Labourer
WIDOWER
Father James Morrison Father William O'Hagan
27 Mayfair Street 70 Ardilea Street
Mother Mary McManus

Witness John McGibbon and Mary Downy
31 Glenpark St

Priest DOR Toal.



This is the date and place you give, this record shows different mother for William. It does show him as widower iam trying to locate an earlier marriage and children. I cant see a date for birth for William John 28/04/1880. where did you get this?

I think you need to buy that marriage certificate to confirm Wiiliam's marital status when he married Hannah. It should also, with a bit of luck give his age, his father's name and occupation. If your William was indeed William John born 28/04/1880 then he would have been 30 or 31 when the 1911 census was taken. Of course he may have knocked a couple of years off his age as his wife was younger.

William and Hannah had 10 children that we know of and the youngest was born in 1929

I too could not find a birth date for James anywhere in Ireland

We have never seen his marriage cert to Hannah the information i have was given to me from a helper also in Genes reunited a few years ago and my husband says his granddad william did have a sister Agnes ,I am trying to give as much info as i can to help but due to my husbands father not speaking about his dad plus my husband never met his granddad and when the past was spoke about it was Hannah,s name that came up and not William

I suppose it's possible William changed his church but the William on the 1911 is a Roman Catholic but the W John in 1901 is Plymouth Brethen.

Hannah O'Hagan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep, 1906
Registration district: Belfast, Ireland
Volume: 1
Page Number: 610
FHL Film Number: 101261

Records on Page:
Name
William Morrison
Ann O'Neill
Hannah O'Hagan
James Conway
James Conway
Daniel Marley
Helen Bell



His marriage certificate will tell you if he was a widower.

18th July 1872 Marriage Co Antrim

James Morrison Agnes McAuley
Andraid Tamlaght
Presbyterian Presbyterian
Batchelor Spinster
Over 21 Over 21
Father Hugh Morrison Father William J McAuley
Married Ist Presbyterian Church Antrim

1901 Census as already shown in above postings. It does include a son W.John aged 20. single

1911 Census shown as above postings. Agnes is now a widow and living with her is son William J now aged 30yrs, he is SINGLE.

The grandchildren living with Agnes Morrison are the children of daughter Agnes Morrison, and her husband Andrew Gordon they married in Aug 1894 and her father was shown as James Morrison the address was Andread.

The family of Andrew Gordon and Agnes Gordon nee Morrison, 1901 Census Tullynamallogue Co Armagh with children cant see Andrew or Agnes in 1911.

1911 Census of your William Morrison and Hanna is as you say. There are trees online which do say the parents of William is James Morrison and Agnes Mcauley I cant locate any births for James and Agnes children, online Trees have
Elizabeth 1873 Agnes 1874 Hugh 1878 William 1882.

If William was married before he would have been aged between 16 and 24 as he was married to Hanna in 1906c according to Census. Will have a look.