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John Wilson & Flora Livingstone ( Murdered?)

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Kelly

Kelly Report 24 Mar 2023 16:43


I have had a DNA match to the descendants of Jessie Russell

Family Rumour that John Wilson killed his first wife and escaped to Canada.

I would like to build my tree on fact not rumour - Any info on court dates or on John, Wilson his first wife Flora and especially Jessie Russell

John Wilson? (b. 3 July 1844, Ormiston, d. 6 Dec. 1899, Nashville TN), mason, 1p. Flora Livingston (b. c. 1835, Appin), 2m. 17 May 1875 at Glasgow to Jessie Russell (b. c. 1854, North Berwick, d. 27 Feb. 1944, Chester PA)

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 24 Mar 2023 17:40

The only way to get court details is to check newspapers for newspaper articles.
If John disappeared before being arrested there won’t be a court case anyway. The first wife’s death certificate should tell you what she died from. You won’t get coroner reports either.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 24 Mar 2023 18:01

Jessie is on one tree on here apart from yours Look at Search/ all members trees. She is also on more than 30 trees on Ancestry,
John is on two other trees on here

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Mar 2023 18:36

Do some research using Scotlands People website. You don’t appear to have determined whether a marriage to Flora took place, or when/where she died.

How could he have ‘escaped to Canada’ but married - allegedly for the second time - in Glasgow?

Have you seen the marriage cert?

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 19:06

Jessie


First name(s) Jessie
Spouse's first name(s) John
Last name Russell
Spouse's last name Wilson
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 17 May 1875
Marriage place Milton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Record set Scotland, Modern And Civil Marriages 1855-2019



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Links Wresden House (Ladies Boarding School), 13, North Berwick, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Eleanor S Stiff Head
Unmarried Female 43 1828 School mistress England
Elizabeth Stiff Sister
Unmarried Female 37 1834 School mistress England
Margaret Boyd Boarder
Widow Female 59 1812 House proprietor Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Gertrude A Robertson Boarder
Unmarried Female 22 1849 - Midlothian, Scotland
Julia Ewald Teacher
Unmarried Female 22 1849 Teacher of german Midlothian, Scotland
Margaret Todd Boarder
- Female 17 1854 Scholar Dysart, Fife, Scotland
Jane Graham Boarder
- Female 16 1855 Scholar Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Ellen Reid Graham Servant
Unmarried Female 16 1855 Cook Kirkhill, Roxburghshire, Scotland
>>Jessie Russel Servant
Unmarried Female 16 1855 House maid North Berwick, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, North Berwick, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Whitecross Head
Widow Female 46 1815 Laundress Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Mary Russell Daughter
- Female 12 1849 - Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Jessie Russell Daughter
- Female 6 1855 Scholar Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
James Easton Boarder
- Male 14 1847 Cooper (app) Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 19:18

John Wilson

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Slight Head
Married Male 31 1820 Baker master employing 1 man & 1 boy Midlothian, Scotland
Janet Slight Wife
Married Female 30 1821 - Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
>>John Wilson Step son
Unmarried Male 7 1844 Scholar Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Andrew Wilson Step son
Unmarried Male 5 1846 Scholar Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Janet Slight Daughter
- Female 0 1851 - Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Jane Clark Servant
Unmarried Female 15 1836 House servant Midlothian, Scotland



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Burnside Buildings, St George, Milton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Raeside Head
Married Male 44 1817 Coachman Dunlop, Ayrshire, Scotland
Mary Raeside Wife
Married Female 31 1830 - Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Mary Raeside Daughter
- Female 1 1860 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Janet Raeside Daughter
- Female 0 1861 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Kerr Boarder
Unmarried Male 16 1845 App draper Wigtownshire, Scotland
>>John Wilson Boarder
Unmarried Male 16 1845 App draper Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Horse Wynd, 2, South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>Flora Livingstone Wife
Married Female 35 1836 Engineers wife Appin, Argyllshire, Scotland
James Livingstone Son
- Male 1 1870 - -
>>John Wilson Visitor
Unmarried Male 27 1844 Mason unemployed Ormiston, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland

ancestry has Where born Faircresbrough, England for young James



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fowler Street, Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Wilson Head
Married Male 36 1845 Mason North Berwick, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Jessie Russel Wife
- Female 26 1855 - Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Jessie Russel Daughter
- Female 5 1876 - Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Maggie Russel Daughter
- Female 2 1879 - Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
John G Wilson Son
- Male 0 1881 - Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2023 19:36

You need to see the marriage cert to Jessie Russell, to see if he's described as single or widowed - though of course he may have lied.

You can view the original document at a cost of 6 credits on Scotlands People:


WILSON JOHN
RUSSELL JESSIE
1875
644 / 8 / 124
Milton


There's no record of a marriage to Flora on SP.


There are baptisms of two Flora Livingstons in the Appin area on SP:

LIVINGSTON
FLORA
PETER LIVINGSTON/CATHERINE MACLACHLAN FR463 (FR463)
F
24/01/1852
525
20 / 159
Lismore Appin and Duror

LIVINGSTON
FLORA
PETER LIVINGSTON/FLORA MCCOLL FR445 (FR445)
F
06/03/1831
525
20 / 124
Lismore Appin and Duror

The 1831 Flora was born on the island of Lismore, per other records.

She's with her parents in 1841, but not in 1851.

Flory Livingston
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Flory Livingston
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Argyll, Scotland
Civil parish: Appin
County: Argyll
Address: Port Appin
Parish Number: 525
Household Members (Name) Age
Peter Livingston 40
Flory Livingston 40
Angus Livingston 20
Peter Livingston 15
Cathrine Livingston 14
Flory Livingston 10
Donald Livingston 8
John Livingston 4


Peter Livingston
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Livingston
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relationship: Head
Spouse:
Flora Livingston
Gender: Male
Where born: Appin, argyleshire
Parish Number: 525
Civil parish: Lismore and Appin
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Port Appin
County: Argyll
Address: Portappin
Occupation: Shoemaker (master)
ED: 14
Page: 14
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_112
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Peter Livingston 54 Head
Flora Livingston 54 Wife
John Livingston 13 Son

There are still lots of Livingstones in Appin today, especially on Lismore, just off Port Appin.

There is no record of her having married John Wilson.

John is listed as unmarried on all the censuses before his marriage to Jessie.

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 19:56

Seemingly the birth of young James,

WILSON, JAMES LIVINGSTONE
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in KNARESBROUGH Volume 09A Page 93

I really think you need to order a few certificates to make sense of this.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2023 20:03

Jessie's death cert says she was born on 9 Aug 1852, and that her mother's name was Jessie Whitecross.


Jessie R Wilson
in the U.S., Find a Grave™ Index, 1600s-
CurrentName: Jessie R Wilson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1852
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 27 Feb 1944
Death Place: Chester, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Cemetery: Chester Rural Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chester, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, United States of America


However, I don't see her baptism, nor her parents' marriage.

I can't see Flora's death, either, assuming it was before 1875.

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 20:06

Birth of a child in Canada.

First name(s) Alexander
County Middlesex
Last name Wilson
Province Ontario
Sex Male
Country Canada
Birth year 1883
Batch number C01671-2
Birth date 13 May 1883
Film number 1845586
Father's first name(s) John
Record set Ontario Birth Index 1860-1920
Father's last name Wilson
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Jessie
Subcategory Civil Births
Mother's last name Russell
Collections from Canada, Americas
Place East London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada


and the family in 1900.


US Census 1900
Davidson, Tennessee, United States
View original record
Household members (8 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Jussie Wilson Self Widowed Female 44 1856 Scotland
Maggie Wilson Daughter Single Female 21 1879 Scotland
John Wilson Son Single Male 20 1880 Scotland
Alexander Wilson Son Single Male 17 1883 Canada (Eng)
Inez Wilson Daughter Single Female 14 1886 Michigan
Susan Wilson Daughter Single Female 12 1888 Michigan
Andrew Wilson Son Single Male 7 1893 Michigan
William Wilson Son Single Male 6 1894 Tennessee

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 20:08

1861 census which I posted above has Jessie's mother as Margaret Whitecross.

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2023 20:18

There is a pretty well documented tree on ancestry with this family and lots of pictures icluding one of Jessie. It says this

Alexander Russell and Margaret Whitecross were NOT married. They had two children, Mary and Jessie, out of wedlock.

It also has this for Flora's death.

Name Flora MI Wilson
Gender Female
Death Age 63
Birth Date 1846
Death Date 31 Jul 1909
Death Place Wlnthrop .
Obituary Date 1 Aug 1909
Obituary Place Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Newspaper Title The Boston Globe
Child James Wilson


The tree also has a lot of unsubstantiated data on it.

Kelly

Kelly Report 25 Mar 2023 20:19

Wow !!! Thanks every one definitely gives me a start. I really appreciate it . She has definitely moved around a bit . ;-)