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I am going to the library on Thursday but meanwhile just a question.
I've found the marriage of Ada Ward in 1900 to Joseph Smith.
Julia Ward in 1921 to Albert Sharp and Lena Ward in 1922 to Albert Harrison.
Can I find information regarding any issue ftom these marriages or is that information still withheld because it's too recent.
Thanks.
Karin.

Don't be afraid to ask for help on here..............those of us who give assistance love doing so

Hi, yes that's a great idea.
I live in York and will be visiting their library soon, they have Ancestry so that's good.
Thanks,
Karin.

Karin, if you are in the UK you may find that your library service has free access to Ancestry. It is worth checking it out then you can follow the information found for you.

Saves a fortune if you can use it. Sometimes it is FMP or both.

The records on this site are limited but I find the help you get on here is fantastic. I don't expect you to do it all for me but with the information I've been given I've managed to put two and two together.

OK, so no paid-for sites, apart from this one............no probs

How much use do you make of the records which are available on here? They are limited, I know, but you may find some help there.....................

Hello,
You're all amazing as always.
I'm on, Genes reunited, familysearch, GRO and freecen etc.
I didn't renew my subscription with Ancestry as it was getting too expensive.
I really appreciate all the information you've given me.
Thank you.

1871 census already posted on page 1.

On Ancestry, an Ancestry user has submitted a correction of the surname spelling.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hartshead Moor, Hartshead cum Clifton, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Ottare Head
- Male 47 1824 journeyman currier Ireland
Mary Ottare Wife
- Female 40 1831 - Yorkshire, England
Thomas H Ottare Son
- Male 9 1862 - Yorkshire, England
Arthur A Ottare Son
- Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
John M Ottare Son
- Male 0 1871 - Yorkshire, England


Can't put in any correction or explanation on fmp as the transcript does look like Ottare :-(


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Roberttown Road, Liversedge, Dewsbury, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas O'Hare Head
Widower Male 49 1842 Leather currier Ireland
Arthur A O'Hare Son
Single Male 28 1863 Coal miner Yorkshire, England
John O'Hare Son
Single Male 26 1865 Clogger Yorkshire, England
John Asquith Grandson
Single Male 4 1887 Scholar Yorkshire, England

Think John is 20 and Arthur is 23.

Which sites do you have access to, Karin?

If we know that, we can steer you in the right direction more effectively.............

1921 Census Of England & Wales
15, Granville Street, Clayton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Fred Ward Head Male 1875 46 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Wool Sorter Laycock Son & Co Wool Top Makers
Polly Ward Wife Female 1873 47 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Home Duties -
Julia M Ward Daughter Female 1897 24 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Piece Mender Thackerey Bros Burlers & Menders
Lena Ward Daughter Female 1900 21 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Millinery Wharehouseman Assistant Hardman & Baxter Millenery Wharehouse
Ada Ward Daughter Female 1905 15 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Spinner (Worsted) J Benn & Co Oak Mills Clayton
Irene Ward Daughter Female 1913 7 Clayton, Yorkshire, England - -

There are no male Ward marriages to a female Smith in North Bierley, 1890-1913.

However, there are these births:

WARD, ADA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 170

WARD, LENA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 179

WARD, JULIA MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 176


So this is the family in 1901:

Fred Ward
in the 1901 England Census
Name Fred Ward
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year abt 1875
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Pollie Ward
Birth Place Clayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Clayton
Search Photos
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Ecclesiastical parish Clayton St John the Baptist
Town Clayton
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district North Bierley
Sub-registration district Thornton
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Neighbors
Piece 4179
Folio 92
Page number 14
Household schedule number 86
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Fred Ward 26 Head
Pollie Ward 27 Wife
Julia M Ward 4 Daughter
Lena Ward 1 Daughter


The parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Smith Polly Bradford, Y. 9b 57
Ward Fred Bradford, Y. 9b 57

Ok, thank you very much for the explanation. I'll carry on searching.

Hello Karin
The GRO is just an index. One would need the certificate to get the full information.

However
You can use the GRO index information to find a WARD to SMITH marriage and see if they had more children in that area. You might find them in 1911 census or the person you mentioned should be on the 1921 census.

Freebmd is where most of us look for marriage information, but again, that is just an index.

Yes, in this instance, that's all you can see without buying the birth cert.

Sometimes images are viewable on Ancestry, FMP, etc - but not often for such a relatively "recent" event, and not in this case.

Sometimes people upload images of certs to their trees on Ancestry or elsewhere, but although Irene is on three trees on Ancestry, nobody has uploaded that cert, unfortunately.

Thank you for all that information.
Just a quick question, I have signed up with GRO and found a registered birth for another person I am researching. I found Irene Ward born 1913 in North Bierley and it gives the MMN as Smith. I can't see the actual document without paying.
I'm doing this research for my neighbour and he won't pay.
Is this normally all the information you can see or am I missing something.
Thanks again for all your help.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hartsmoor Road, Clifton, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
View original record
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas O'Hare Head
Married Male 57 1824 Carrier Ireland
Mary O'Hare Wife
Married Female 50 1831 - Malton, Yorkshire, England
Arthur A O'Hare Son
Single Male 13 1868 Coal hurrier Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
John M O'Hare Son
Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Yorkshire, England

Thomas and Mary's children

Births

O'HARE, TOM ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330

O'HARE, THOMAS HENRY ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 328

O'HARE, MARY AGNES ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 356

O'HARE, ALICE ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 309

O'HARE, ARTHUR ANDERSON ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330

O'HARE, MARY ANN ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 314

O'HARE, JOHN MICHAEL ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 409


and Deaths

O'HARE, TOM 0
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 224

O'HARE, MARY AGNES 0
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 245

O'HARE, ALICE 0
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 226

O'HARE, MARY ANN 0
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 305

Richard's second marriage:

Richard Anderson
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Richard Anderson
Gender Male
Marriage Date 11 Dec 1837
Marriage Place St. Michael, New Malton, York, England
Father Francis Glover
Spouse Sarah Wray
FHL Film Number 1068382
Reference ID item 1


Richard Anderson
in the York, Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1936
Name Richard Anderson
Marital Status Widowed
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 10 Dec 1837
Marriage Place New Malton, St Michael, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears St. Michael, Malton
Father Fracis Eleor [Francis Glover , waterman]
Spouse Sarah Wraz [ Wray ]

??? The father in Malton in 1851, as per "birthplace" wording for Mary in 1851 ??

With a second wife, presumably.

Richard Anderson
in the 1851 England Census
Name Richard Anderson
Age 61
Estimated Birth Year abt 1790
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Sarah Anderson
Gender Male
Where born New Malton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Malton St Leonard
Town New Malton
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Malton
Sub-registration district Rillington
ED, institution, or vessel 3b
Neighbors
Household schedule number 19
Piece 2369
Folio 397
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Richard Anderson 61 Head - waterman
Sarah Anderson 37 Wife
Frank Anderson 10 Son
Henry Anderson 7 Son
John Anderson 32 Son - waterman


The whole family born in New Malton.