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I am researching my wifes family tree and have come to an abrupt stop whilst trying to find her fathers place of birth and subsequent birth certificate.
He is recorded as being Albert Hayward Bellard born 19.1.1920 who died at Holderness, Yorkshire in 1972.
He married a Phyllis Edith Scott in 1945 at Port Talbot Glamorgan.
He was a Corporal with the RASC at ther time and records his father as being Ernest Bellard but gives no other details.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have gone through all the usual records except the MOD
Thank you Mags and Pete
PS I searched for my Grandfather for 10 years and it was only through this site that I eventually found him, here's hoping

Hi,

have you consider a Scottish birth for him?


Dee x

Can we assume that he never mentioned where he was born?

his marriage cert should name his father .if known
Name: Albert H Bellard
Spouse Surname: Scott
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1945
Registration district: Neath
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1849
Find Spouse: Phyllis E Scott


At the mo only his marraige and death are coming up

I've checked Scottish births and there are none coming up that match these details

Karen

These are the only instances on freebmd of the name given for the father

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
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BELLARD Ernest Hull 9d 306

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Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Bellard Ernest Edwin Prescot 8b 766

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Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Bellard Ernest Sculcoates 9d 441
WILSON Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 441





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Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
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Bellard Ernest E Radbone Prescot 8b 839

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Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
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Bellard Ernest E Bright Hartley W. 2c 585

Do you know what his fathers occupation was?

Regards Vera

1911

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BELLARD, Ernest Head Married M 25 1886 Omnibus Driver Hull Yorkshire VIEW
BELLARD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 23 1888 Hull Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28762 Reference:
RG14PN28762 RG78PN1651 RD522 SD1 ED13 SN146

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Humber Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address:
10 Ebor Place Porter St Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)



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Regards Vera

As there are no apparent births for the Yorkshire marriage............the possibility may be that Albert was not the biological child of Ernest and/or his wife.

There appears to have been a Bellard/Wilson marriage in Lancs to tally with the births in the County

What document records him as being born Jan 1920?

Name: Albert Hayward Bellard
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: 1972
Registration district: Holderness
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 144

What was his age on the marriage cert?

Flick
Yep I missed he had stated dads name . I went off looking before i finshed reading all the enquiry. got too keen !!

We're all firing questions at a non existant Peter.

............and who are Mags and Pete ?
Is there another thread I wonder ?

One would assume that Mags is the wife whose father Pete is looking for

Perhaps one of them will return at some stage........................he/they is/are not new to GR

hi everyone and thanks for all the very helpful replies. I have the death certificate and marriage certificate details for our Albert and have really come to an abrupt halt with his birth.I have checked Ancestry-Free BMD-YBMD and Hull RO in case it was missed but to no avail. I am writing to the MOD today to see if they can help .I have looked at all the Census returns for Ernest and found the Ernest and Elizabeth one which looks promising, thank you for finding this as well. I am Pete and my wife is Margaret it is her father I am looking for as they lost contact years ago.
I looked for my Grandfather for about 10 years and a little hint/clue from a like minded person as yourselves led me to find he had been abandoned when a small child and had not been christened under my surname but had reverted to it in his twenties. So he was never called the same surname as myself, in fact my surname is that of his paternal mother not his father so I am not who I thought I was, an interesting journey.
So thank you all again and again my fingers are crossed
Regards Mags and Pete.

Peter
Re service records
Can i suggest you have a look at this info on how to obtain service records.
It might be worthwhile intialy giving them a ring

Army service records are held by Service Number, Rank, Full Name and Date of Birth. It is important that as much of this information as possible is provided, together with the Regiment or Corps if known, to assist in locating the correct record.

Certificate of Kinship
Information from the personal record of a deceased Ex-serviceman/woman can be released only with the consent of the official Next of Kin. The Certificate of Kinship form aims to identify whose consent is required and the data you provide will be used only in connection with your enquiry. This form is retained for 2 years should you have subsequent queries.

There is no charge for enquiries from widows or widowers about their late spouse's service but for all other customers the charge is £30.00. A cheque, bank draft or postal order made payable to 'MOD Accounting Officer' should be included with the completed Certificate of Kinship and Search Document. No other form of payment can be accepted.

To download the Certificate of Kinship form, please click here.

Army Personnel Records and Family Interest Enquiries - Historical Disclosures
The Ministry of Defence (MOD) keeps the records of former members of our Armed Forces for administrative use after their discharge. For more information, click here.

A Subject Access Requests (SAR) form needs to be completed in order to access records.
Records for all ranks in the Army that served after 1920.

The following address should be used for ex-soldiers wishing to access their personal records

Army Personnel Centre,
Disclosure 2,
Mail Point 515,
Kentigern House,
65 Brown Street,
Glasgow,
G2 8EX
Tel: 0845 600 9663

The following address should be used for family members wishing to access records of deceased soldiers

Army Personnel Centre,
Historical Disclosures,
Mail Point 555,
Kentigern House,
65 Brown Street,
Glasgow,
G2 8EX

Here is the link to the Veterans Agency from where the info above was obtained

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html

You can download the application forms fro there
George

Hi George
Thank you for the information it is very much appreciated. I do not have any details except on his marriage certificate he states he was a Corporal with the RASC.
Thanks again
Pete

PM from Peter...

The date of birth, without place of birth, was recorded on the death certificate
Regards
Pete

The DOB on a death cert cert is only 'as known' to the informant...and cannot necessarily be relied upon to be accurate........especially in this instance, where the place of birth seems not to have been known by the person registering the death

How old did he say he was when he married?

Thanks for that Vera I didn't know you coul access the 1911 census as yet ?
Regards Pete