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There is a thorncliffe Kent which on one 1871/1861 census it looks as though it says that,go to Google Pamela and have a look.

Maryb

Hi All,
Now feel certain that my grx3 grandfather William Hawkins is the one in Wickham 1841,1851,1861, 71 & 81 cesus. He was born in Shorncliffe or Shorecliffe Kent.............it looks as if SHORNCLIFFE is some sort of army camp ? What I was hoping to find was his birth details..........b.1803...... on IGI but no luck so far...............has anyone got any ideas?
Thanks
Pam

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Amelia Winter Hawkins
Name: Amelia Winter Hawkins
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 441 (click to see others on page)

Hi Mary,
Thats interesting about Amelia (grandaughter) Midwinter with grandparents. May be why her parents went to Alverstoke to marry. There were other members of my family from Wickham getting married at Alverstoke and they had children already..........maybe the vicar at Wickham did not hold with marrying people who had children before they married.
Thanks for info........sorry if i'm a bit behind with my thanks I'm looking things up in between as i get the info.
thanks,
Pam

The same one as 1841
1851 Wickham D12 .6
William Hawkins 1802 thorncliffe Kent bricklayers labourer
Ann 1807 Stanning Sussex
Amelia Medwinter (Midwinter) 1858 grandaughter
John Sadler grandson 1863.

Maryb

Yes looks like the older William and Ann might be the grandparents of Amelia.

PS looks like the family were in Wickham all the time !

Hi Margaret,
I either took the date down wrong or IGI have it wrong.....but not to worry got there in the end. Yes it look as if Amelia is living next door to her parents, and my gr gr gran Frances is there. I grateful for your help.
Pam

Just noticed you say that Absalom & Amelia married in 1861 but on the 61 census they have 2 children Amelia 3 and George 4 months.

Edit: The marriage but still too late:

Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
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Hawkins Amelia Alverstoke 2b 760
MIDWINTER Absalom Alverstoke 2b 760
Midwinter Absalon Alverstoke 2b 760
Winter Absalom Mid Alverstoke 2b 760

1841 wickham D13 > 7

William hawkins 1768 shoe maker
Ann 1768
James 1806
Eliza 1804
Amelia 1837.

Are these the ones and are William and Ann the grandparents of Amelia.

On the same page as above.
William 1803
Ann 1806 six kids including another Amelia age 3
Maryb

On the 61 census Absalom & Amelia are living next door to the Hawkins family. Parents William & Ann with children George 22, Frances 20, James 17, Charles 15, Thomas 12 and John 9.
(I changed the spelling of Frances, it was Francis but daughter.)

1891 England Census about Absalom Midwinter
Name: Absalom Midwinter
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Twyford, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Fareham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Fareham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin T Stone 33
Rhoda Stone 33
Hester Stone 9
Arthur Stone 8
Mabel Stone 6
Kate Stone 5
Emily Stone 3
Stephen Stone 2
Absalom Midwinter 54 widower

On the 1891 census Absalom Midwinter, widower, 54, born Twyford, Hants is a lodger living in Fareham.
He's also a widower on the 71 census.

Hi All,
This looks like the Hawkins family I'm looking for. Theres another sister Harriet Hawkins b. 1835 Wickham who married at Alverstkoke 26th June 1859 to Emaual Shepard. I am trying to trace what happened to the family.... brothers and sisters of my gr gr gran Frances Hawkins from 1841. I thought if I could find her brothers and sisters I could find her in 1851 1861.
Very grateful for all your help,
Pam

Hi Patrica,
I found this marraige on IGI. Basically I am trying to follow the family of William and Ann Hawkins who appear to come from Wickham Hampshire. But they disapear from there by 1851 census. Could be they moved to Alverstoke.
Thanks
Pam

1861 England Census
Absalom Midwinter
Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Amelia Midwinter Gender: Male Where born: Upham, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Wickham County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England Registration district: Fareham Sub-registration district: Titchfield ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 8
Absalom Midwinter 25 Bricklayer's labourer
Amelia Midwinter 24
Amelia Midwinter 3
George Midwinter 4 MO
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 651; Folio: 132; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542678.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Absolom Midwinter
Name: Absolom Midwinter
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 80
District: Fareham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 620 (clic

1871 England Census about Absalom Madwinter
Name: Absalom Madwinter
[Absalom Midwinter]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Upham, Hertfordshire, England {hants}
Civil parish: Wickham
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Drane 39
Anne Drane 37
Clement Drane 17
Thomas Drane 12
Absalom Madwinter 35
George Madwinter 10
Richard Pries 48
George Harding

Could you give some clue as to how you got to them, so we have more facts to use in looking for them?
Thanks

ABSALOM MID WINTER Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: AMELIA HAWKINS Family
Marriage: 21 OCT 1860 Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.