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I am hitting a dead end regarding my great grandfather ( jacob Cresswell), he was born 1868 in Longhoughton, Northumberland but only shows up from 1891 in the census, his father was also called jacob and was deceased by the time of his son's marriage in 1891, he was listed as a coach owner and my greatgrandfather was a coach driver, any help would be deeply appreciated ( Jacob jr lived in Chilton moor then moved to Durham city by 1901)

thanks

Is this Jacob as a groom in 1891?

Name: Jacob Cresswell
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil Parish: Houghton Le Spring
Ecclesiastical parish: Houghton le Spring St Michaels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Houghton Le Spring
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Kettles 69
Elizabeth Kettles 40
Mary Caroline Kettles 16
Emily Annie Kettles 15
Walter Scott Adams 24
>>>>Jacob Cresswell 23 c1868 Newcastle Upon Tyne. Groom

1911 census says he was born 1866 in Long houghton Northumberland.

Maryb

1911:

Five children born, all still living:

CRESSWELL, Jacob Head Married M 45 1866 Hostler Long Houghten Northumland
CRESSWELL, Minnie Wife Married 20 years F 39 1872 Housewife County Durham
CRESSWELL, Minnie Daughter F 13 1898 Schoolgirl Houghton Le Spring Durham
CRESSWELL, Maud Daughter F 10 1901 Schoolgirl Durham
CRESSWELL, John W Son M 8 1903 School Boy Durham
CRESSWELL, Jenny Daughter F 3 1908 Durham
CRESSWELL, Elsie Daughter F 1 1910 Durham

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Registration District:
Durham Sub District:
Durham Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Elvet

Address:
Water Lane Durham

I know 1911 said Long Houghton, but seemed strange to have a Jacob Cresswell born c1868 living in Houghton Le Spring Durham in 1891, which is the birthplace of at least one of Jacob's children in census 1911.

Also looks like Jacob may have married in Houghton:

Marriages Jun 1891
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Cresswell Jacob Houghton 10a 663



Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Wheatley Minnie Houghton 10a 66[83]

I think the problem was the Jacob Cresswell living in Houghton Le Spring in 1891 was recorded to have been born in Newcastle upon Tyne, rather than Long Houghton; I'm not sure this was grounds for dismissing him as birth places often vary from census to census.

It also seemed sensible to flag up that his birthplace might be in doubt.

However Sue may come back and reject the 1891 Houghton le Spring Jacob as a red herring.

In census 1901 Jacob married to Minnie is born Newcastle, Northumberland.

Name: Jacob Cresswell
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Minnie Cresswell
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Elvet
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald
Town: Durham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Cresswell 39 c1862 Newcastle, Northumberland, England. Cab driver/Groom.
Minnie Cresswell 29
Mannie Cresswell 3
Mandel Cresswell 6 MO

Chldren look like Minnie & Maude on actual image. i think his age reads more like 34 than 39 on the actual image as well.

Problem is - we're still not getting back pre 1891...

Hi Janet

I figure it's best to put up any leads - at least, that's what I did, and let Sue decide what she thinks is worth pursuing, it's her thread after all :)

Had a quick look at that thread, but think it's another family. That Jacob 1836 did have a son Jacob, but he married a Martha.

Father and son died within a few years of each other:


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Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
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CRESWELL Jacob Gowland 65 Hull 9d 191

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Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
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CRESWELL Jacob Gowland 34 Hull 9d 168

A possibility for 1881?

EMBLETON, Thomas Head Single M 55 1826 Farmer Of 200 Acres
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, Joseph Brother Married M 43 1838 Farmers Brother
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, Isabel Sister In Law Married F 37 1844
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, Jane Niece Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, William Nephew Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, John Nephew Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, Joseph Nephew Single M 3 1878
Hebron
Northumberland
EMBLETON, Isabel Niece Single F 0 1881
Hebron
Northumberland
DAVISON, William Father Of Sister In Law Widower M 69 1812 Retired Miller And Farmer
Ulgham
Northumberland
CHATER, Joseph C Servant Single M 18 1863 Ag Lab Farm Servant Indoor
Longhorsley
Northumberland
KRANSGILL, Jacob Servant Single M 16 1865 Ag Lab Farm Servant Indoor
Longhoughton
Northumberland

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5118 Folio:
67 Page:
4

Registration District:
Morpeth Sub District:
Bedlington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Earsdon Forest Municipal Borough:
Address:
Earsdon, Earsdon Forest County:
Northumberland

This is the same Jacob in 1871 - on the original his father is a gardener and coachman. Did the surname get anglicised after 1891?

KRANSKRILL, Jacob Head M 38 1833 Germany
KRANSKRILL, Maria Wife F 36 1835 Germany
KRANSKRILL, Jacob Son M 6 1865 Northumberland
KRANSKRILL, Margaret Daughter F 3 1868 Northumberland
KRANSKRILL, Philip J Son M 1 1870 Northumberland

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
5171 Folio:
21 Page:
4

Registration District:
Alnwick Sub District:
Warkworth Enumeration District:
10B Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Togston Municipal Borough:
Address:
Togston Lodge, Togston County:
Northumberland

Birth for that Jacob

Births Jun 1865
Krausgrill Jacob Alnwick 10b 332 - Long houghton is in the Alnwick reg district.

Several siblings reg in same district. Surname seems to be Krausgrill.
Baptism
Name: Jacob Krausgrill
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Apr 1865
Baptism/Christening Place: LONG HOUGHTON, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jacob Krausgrill
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02455-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 991787
Reference Number: v 4 p 4

Jacob senior didn't die until 1904 though. Perhaps he didn't approve of the name change.

Deaths Mar 1904
KRAUSQRILL Jacob 72 Alnwick 10b 300

and burial

Name: Jacob Krausgrill
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 16 Mar 1904
Burial Place: Alnmouth, Northumberland, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 72
Birth Date: 1832
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01108-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1564655
Reference Number: it 11 p 9 rn 67

Jacob senior in 1901

KRAUSGRILL, Jacob Head Widower M 68 1833 Jobbing Gardner
Dramstrad Germany British Subject

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4838 Folio:
48 Page:
4

Registration District:
Alnwick Sub District:
Warkworth Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Warkworth

Civil Parish:
High Buston Municipal Borough:
Address:
Buston Granary, High Buston County:
Northumberland

Jacob senior's 2nd marriage

Groom's Name: Jacob Krausgrill
Groom's Birth Date: 1833
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 46
Bride's Name: Annie Reay
Bride's Birth Date: 1840
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 39
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1879
Marriage Place: Alnwick, Northumberland, England
Groom's Father's Name: Jacob Krausgrill
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Reay
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02153-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1469100
Reference Number: item 2 p 111

Has anyone else got any thoughts/theories on this one? It seems Sue has not returned to itbut it would be useful to hear what others think!

On Jacobs juniors marriage it says father Jacob is deceased.

Maryb

Hi Mary,

I saw that Jacob said his father was deceased but many people lied for many reasons when marrying etc. Jacob Krausgrill the younger disappears after 1881, he does not marry, die or emigrate. Jacob Cresswell first appears in 1891 on the census. The rest of the family keep the Krausgrill surname into the 20th century.
Perhaps he became estranged from his family because of the name change - or perhaps he changed his name unofficially. He names his father as Cresswell on his marriage cert but there is also no trace of anyone with this name in a census or being born/baptised, marrying or dying.
It all seems too much of a coincidence to me. Many Germans anglicised their names at that time.
Katie

if you have marriage certificate of Jacob and Minnie,who were the witnesses.
Have you got there death records at all.

Maryb