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trying to find the birth certificate of my maternal grandfather EDWIN ELKIN died 1949 aged 70 in Portsmouth, married my grandmother Laura Pollentine 12 May 1921 in Portsmouth. He was a Musical Director. His father was named as EDWIN ELKIN Patternmaker deceased on the marriage certificate. Family folklore has it that his mother was called JESSIE and he had a sister LIZZIE. Any connections gratefully received - many thanks. Fay Lewis

how old was he when he died?

His death entry gives his age as 70 in 1949 (this can be out by a few years depending on how well the informant knew him). There is this birth as a possible:-

Name: Edwin Elkin
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stone
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 26

There is another birth for this name around the same time but this one has a middle name, and there is no middle name on his marriage or death reference.

Kath. x

Kath, the one you found in 1881 has a father John, not Edwin.

I am stuck.

I found an Edwin Henry Elkin b Jun 1878, Radford, Nottinghamshire.

But nothing more on him.

Edwin's marriage is there. Snowy Jen has got it.

Nothing else at all.

Marriages Jun 1921
Elkin Edwin spouse Pollentine
Pollentine Laura J spouse Elkin
Portsmouth 2b 1115


Births Dec 1923
Elkin Robert R
Elkin Roger R
Mothers maiden name: Pollentine
Portsmouth 2b 577

page 74 no 590 Edwin ELKINS Asylum Road buried Sept 29 1893 aged 37yrs

http://www.knightroots.co.uk/transcriptions/Parishes_P/Portsea_Portsmouth_Southsea/Burials/burials.htm

Any use?

And same website:

page 77 no 613 Sarah Jane ELKINS 64 Tangiers Road Copnor (26 Hollam Rd) buried Oct 19 1932 aged 85yrs

Jane = Jessie?

Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Elkins Edwin 37 Portsea 2b 330

Deaths Dec 1932 (>99%)
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Elkins Sarah J 85 Portsmouth 2b 556

We need a census record!

1871 census

Edwin Elkin head age 48? occ: pattern maker born: Harbourne Staffs
Elizabeth Elkin wife age 53
Fanny L Johnson step daur age 20
Henry Elkin son age 13 brass tube maker

Address No 49 Gt Charles Street
District Birmingham, St. Paul
Administrative County Warwickshire

Name: Edwin Elkin
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 67
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 89

1881

Name: Edwin Elkin
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Harleston, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 49 Gt Charles St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Journeyman Pattern Maker (Ash?)

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Elkin 58
Elizabeth Elkin 63
Thomas Adcock 28

Now I'm just looking at these dates we have. Edwin Elkin who died 1949 was born 1879. He married Laura Pollentine in 1921. That means he was 42. Pretty old for a first marriage. Very old some might say. But it seems that Fay has that marriage cert, so can you just confirm Fay that he was 42? Was he a widower? Possibly not, these musical director chaps can be quite eccentric and not conform to the norm. Otherwise they'd be cotton weavers, like all my ancestors. How old was Laura at marriage?

Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert?

If I have the right death of his father in 1893, then yes he was deceased.

But his mother was not, if she is Sarah Jane.

I'd be tempted to contact Portsmouth cemeteries, starting with municipal ones, and I bet a family like this might have had a headstone.

Their records might tell you who purchased the grave in 1893 and where they were living. And if there is anyone else in the grave that might give us a clue.

I am still stuck on census records though.

Would Ms Canuck care to take a look at this?

I'm going pot-eyed after only one page. Someone found a pattern maker? Ah, SnowyJen found Edwin b 1823., wife born 1818, too old, could be grandparents of young Edwin.

Not many wildcards you can use with a 5-letter surname.

Try again.

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Perhaps, as in many instances, Edwin jnr used his grandfather's details when marrying, because his mother was unmarried. Just speculating about possible scenarios

The chap born c1822 was definitely a pattern-maker, as per my posting of 1881 census.

Feedback from Fay would be extremely helpful

EDWIN ELKIN

Christening: 14 MAR 1824 Harlaston, Stafford, England


Father: LEONARD ELKIN
Mother: LETTICE

Batch No.: C037961

Elkin, British Isles
Father: Leonard , Mother: Lettice
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C037961

1. WILLIAM ELKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 AUG 1822 Harlaston, Stafford, England

2. FREDERIC ELKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAR 1824 Harlaston, Stafford, England

4. LUCASER ELKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1824 Harlaston, Stafford, England

5. HENRY ELKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAR 1824 Harlaston, Stafford, England

I find it odd that there is no sign of Edwin jnr in any census record

1851?

Name: Edwin Elkin
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Harlaston, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Yoxall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Yoxall
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Hardy 73
Edwin Elkin 34
Eliza Elkin 37
Caroline Hardy 34
Louisa Elkin 6
Ann Elkin 4
Willm Elkin 3
Emma Elkin 3 Mo
Elizebeth Hutchinson 18
Martha Hutchinson 13
John Large 22
Thomas Mansfield 14



Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
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Elkin Edwin Aston 16 232
Hardy Eliza Aston 16 232

Thanks very much everyone, I am a novice on this site and have only just found all your research. I will follow up on what you have found. I can confirm that Edwin was 42 on the marriage cert, my grandmother Laura Jeanette Pollentine gave her age as 24 in fact she was 29. The witnesses were her mother Raimonda Pollentine and a suspiciously named Laura Jeannette Grant. I believe there was some trouble in the family with bad feeling between my grandfather and his father Edwin the Patternmaker. My grandfather would never talk about it apparently. So it is a mystery I am keen to solve! Many thanks all. Sorry for the odd replies, I am still getting the hang of the site.
Regards, Fay