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Hi Aileen,

Many thanks for all this information..........! It is especially fascinating that Williamina did know have a Father, as Williamina and her husband Alexander, made my Gran's life difficult because she had my Dad out of wedlock in the late 40's.......

Thank you again.

Scunners Aileen! You've done all that work, including details from register entries from Scotlandspeople and Angela hasn't come back to comment. I do hope she comes back soon.

Seems a few mutliple marriages in there, so there is still plenty that Angela can look up on SP.

Well done Aileen.

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Christening for James

James Black
Event(s):
Christening:
23 APR 1837 Carrington, Midlothian, Scotland

Parents:
Father: James Black
Mother: Elisabeth Robertson

Marriage for James parents

JAMES BLACK
Event(s):

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH ROBERTSON
Marriage:
08 JUL 1836 Carrington, Midlothian, Scotland

1851 census

Name: James Black
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Black
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Black
Gender: Male
Where born: Cockpen, Edinburgh
Parish Number: 700
Civil parish: Temple
Town: Outerston
County: Midlothian
Address: Outerston
Occupation: At Home
ED: 2
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_190
Household Members:
Name Age
James Black 35
Elisabeth Black 35
James Black 14
Marrion Black 12
Mary Black 10
Thomas Black 8
Janet Black 5
Jane Black 5
Elisabeth Black 2
Infant N N Black 1 MO

1861 census

Name: James Black
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Black
Gender: Male
Where born: Carrinton, Midlothian
Registration Number: 693
Registration district: Liberton
Civil parish: Liberton
County: Midlothian
Address: Gilmerton House
Occupation: Ploughman
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 146
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_132
Household Members:
Name Age
James Black 23
Elizabeth Black 23

Marriage for Isabella's parents

1860 BLACK JAMES WEIR ELIZABETH TEMPLE /MIDLOTHIAN

1901 for Isabella

Name: Isabella Black
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Lasswade, Midlothian
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Michael
County: Midlothian
Address: 26 Shandon Street
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 137
Household schedule number: 94
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_369
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Fraser 45
Isabella Fraser 42
Marguerite Fraser 12
Isabella Black 37

1871.....with Isabella

Name: James Black
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Black
Gender: Male
Where born: Cockpen, Midlothian
Registration Number: 676
Registration district: Cockpen
Civil parish: Cockpen
County: Midlothian
Address: 7
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_154
Household Members:
Name Age
James Black 33
Elizabeth Black 33
Isabella Black 7
Elizabeth Black 5
Isabella Wier 71

gives Isabella as born Lasswade

1891 census

Name: Willamina Black
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relationship: Grand Daur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: St Cuthberts, Edinr
Registration Number: 685A/1
Registration district: St George Landward
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Gorgie Road 12 Gorgie Cottages
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 39
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_333
Household Members:
Name Age
James Black 53
Elizabeth Black 53
Elizabeth Black 25
James Black 15
Alexr Black 8
Liggie Black 5
Willamina Black 1

I think this is Williamina's birth

1890 BLACK WILLIAMINA F ST GEORGE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

Williamina Black (illegitimate) born 05/01/1890 at Gorgie Cottages, Gorgie Edinburgh....mother Isabella Black (Domestic servant)

Possible for 1891

Name: Alexander Johnston
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Johnston
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinnell, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 685A/2
Registration district: St George Burgh
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 228 Morrison St
Occupation: Brewer's Labourer
ED: 55
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_335
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Johnston 35
Jane Johnston 28
John Irving 8
Alexander Johnston 1
Robert Hogg 23

I think this is them on the 1901 census

Name: Alexander Johnstone
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Carrick St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 109
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_291
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Johnstone 45
Alex Johnstone 11
Robert Johnstone 10

both sons given as born Edinburgh

Only Williamina Black with mother Isabella coming up in the census:

1891 Scotland Census
about Williamina Black
Name: Williamina Black
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: William Black
Mother's Name: Isabella B Black
Gender: Female
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/1
Registration district: St Peter
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 28 Watt St
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 113
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_86
Household Members: Name Age
William Black 35
Isabella B Black 28
Isabella S Black 4
Margaret B Black 3
Williamina Black 1
Eliza B Black 3mo

Death for Alexander Marshall Johnston (Alexander's father)

1939 JOHNSTON ALEXANDER MARSH M 84 KIRKINTILLOCH /DUNBARTON

Alexander Marshall Johnston married to (1) Jane Bell (2) Jane Marrs or Shirlaw (3) Catherine McWhinnie died 27/01/1939 at Woodilee Assylum Lenzie usual residence 54 Canal Street Glasgow parents given as Alexander (Farmer) and Isabella Johnston ms Birse

1913 JOHNSTON ALEXANDER BLACK WILLIAMINA ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK


Alexander Johnston (Ironworker) aged 23 son of Alexander Marshall (Carter) and Jane Johnston ms Bell married Williamina Black aged 23 daughter of Isabella Black (Domestic servant) on 11/04/1913 at 54 Canal Street Glasgow (home address of both bride and groom)

as no father's name given for Williamina she may have been illegitimate

You need to look on Scotlandspeople. The marriage certificate of Alexander and Williamina will give you their parents names and you may then be able to find them on the 1901 census.

To look for their daughters, births after 1909 are not available to view online - you need to buy certificates.

There were at least 2 Canal Streets in the Glasgow area - 1 in Port Eglinton and the other (mostly likely yours) in Port Dundas.

If you want census looks ups please post all the details from their marriage certificate - if you don't have it you can get it from Scotlandspeople as marriage entries prior to 1934 can be viewed online. Credits cost £6 for 30 - 1 credit to view search results and 5 to view / download register entry.



EDIT

If you don't find the marriage, remember that Williamina was probably known as Ina and may have used that when registering her marriage.

Hi,

Just found out my great grandmother was not WEIR but actually BLACK!!!

that would be why you were unable to find their marriage cert', sorry.

regards.

Do you have any certificates for any of the family? There is no marriage for them coming up on scotlandspeople.