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Who were the parents of RALPH MUSGRAVE c1690

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Carole

Carole Report 6 Oct 2008 23:10

Born, possibly Great Stainton, Durham abt 1690, Ralph married Rebecca Auderson/Alderson, in Bishopton, on 10/08/1716.
On the 9th Oct 1716 he was "Of Elstob" (whatever that means .. or wherever that is?)
On the 10th April 1718 he was "Of Oakcliff" commonly thought to be the old fashioned name for Aycliffe, County Durham.
In 1723 he is recorded as having been in Aycliffe.
Ralph and Rebecca had six known children; Elizabeth, William, Jane, Thomas, Ralph,and Ann.
Ralph died on the 14th or 15th of August 1758 and he was buried on 17/08/1758 at St Peter's, Bishopton, County Durham.
Rebecca died eight days after the funeral.
He is rumoured to have signed a will but this has not yet come to light. ... It is not in Durham University Library!!
I would like to find where, and exactly when, Ralph was born ... and the identity of his parents?? ... but so far it has been like bashing my head against that proverbial BRICK WALL!!
ANY IDEAS ... SUGGESTIONS ... OR INFORMATION would be wonderful!!

Alison

Alison Report 6 Oct 2008 23:17

Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-8N3) Pedigree
Sex: M Family

Event(s)
Birth: Abt 1690
Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England


Marriage(s)
Spouse: Rebecca Mrs MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-8P9) Family
Marriage: Abt 1715
Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England

Carole

Carole Report 6 Oct 2008 23:28

Hello Alison
That's the one. ... It's not too difficult to find Ralph and Rebecca ... which makes it all the more frustrating that the trail seems to end with them!!

Alison

Alison Report 6 Oct 2008 23:45

Sorry Carole, can't find anything else - only their kids.

Carole

Carole Report 7 Oct 2008 00:01

Thanks so much for trying Alison!!
It does seem pretty hopeless!!
I have searched all the accepted places that I can think of online. I am in Spain so I have to content myself with online research.
I am just living in hope, that someone who reads this, might have ideas of other, less well known routes, that I might explore??

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:01

this may be a connection
Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-9H7) Pedigree
Sex: M Family


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Event(s)
Birth: Abt 1773
Of, Greatham, Durham, England

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Parents
Father: Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-92J) Family
Mother: Barbara SMITH (AFN: 116X-93Q)


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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Elizabeth CARR (AFN: 116X-9JF) Family
Marriage: 12 May 1800
, Greatham, Durham, England


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Submitter(s)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:01

or this

Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-8N3) Pedigree
Sex: M Family


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Event(s)
Birth: Abt 1690
Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Rebecca Mrs MUSGRAVE (AFN: 116X-8P9) Family
Marriage: Abt 1715
Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England


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Submitter(s)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:03

1881 census
Christopher MUSGRAVE Head M Male 48 Greatham, Durham, England Shoemaker
Dinah MUSGRAVE Wife M Female 48 East H'Pool, Durham, England
Ralph MUSGRAVE Son U Male 18 West Hpool, Durham, England No Occupation
Henry MUSGRAVE Son Male 14 West Hpool, Durham, England
James MUSGRAVE Son Male 13 West Hpool, Durham, England Scholar
White MUSGRAVE Son Male 11 West Hpool, Durham, England Scholar
George MUSGRAVE Son Male 9 West Hpool, Durham, England Scholar
Julia MUSGRAVE Daur Female 7 West Hpool, Durham, England Scholar
Thomas MUSGRAVE Son Male 5 West Hpool, Durham, England Scholar
Robert MUSGRAVE Son Male 3 West Hpool, Durham, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 41 Sarah St
Census Place Stranton, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342182
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4912 / 29
Page Number 19


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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:04

just noticed - there are an awful lot of Ralph Musgraves in Durham - all on the Mormon LDS site!!!!

Carole

Carole Report 7 Oct 2008 02:23

Hi Ann of Green Gables
Sorry!!!!
I had decided to go to bed but thought I would have a quick peep before I went.
Yes there are a good few Ralph Musgraves. After Ralph and Rebecca, we have their son Ralph and Ann Spark, then their son Ralph and Barbara Smith, followed by Ralph and Elizabeth Carr. They are all quite well documented, with wills and other useful information: so it is something of a shock to find NOT a THING about the father of Ralph of 'Ralph and Rebecca"!!
The West Hartlepool 'lot' are related but they are somewhat peripheral to my line of descent. .. So for the moment, whilst I have notes on file about them; I have left them out of my tree.
It is 3:20am, here in Spain now, so that is me for tonight!! Thanks for input so far.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:34

Husband's Name
Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8N3) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1690 Place: Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England
Married: Abt 1715 Place: Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Rebecca Mrs MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8P9) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1694 Place: Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England
Married: Abt 1715 Place: Of, Great Stainton, Durham, England

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Elisabeth MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8QH) Pedigree

Born: 1716 Place:
Christened: 9 Oct 1716 Place: , Great Stainton, Durham, England

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2. Sex Name
F Jane MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8SW) Pedigree

Born: 1719 Place:
Christened: 3 Jan 1719 Place: , Great Stainton, Durham, England

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3. Sex Name
M Thomas MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8T4) Pedigree

Born: 1721 Place:
Christened: 24 Aug 1721 Place: , Great Stainton, Durham, England

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4. Sex Name
M William MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8RP) Pedigree

Born: 1718 Place:
Christened: 22 Apr 1718 Place: , Great Stainton, Durham, England

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5. Sex Name
M Ralph MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8XQ) Pedigree

Born: 1723 Place:
Christened: 7 Nov 1723 Place: , Aycliffe, Durham, England

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6. Sex Name
F Anne MUSGRAVE (AFN:116X-8WJ) Pedigree

Born: 1726 Place:
Christened: 18 Jan 1726 Place: , Aycliffe, Durham, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:37

name could have been mistranscribed here

Husband
RALPH MOOSGROVE Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:





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Wife



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Children

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1. REBECA MOOSGROVE Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 19 JUN 1753 Billingham, Durham, England
Death:
Burial:


AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:37

Rebecca Musgrave Compact Disc #53 Pin #1000060 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: 1787

Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

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Parents
Father: James Musgrave Disc #53 Pin #1000052
Mother: Sarah Unknown Disc #53 Pin #1000053

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Other Event(s)
Bapt: 3 Feb 1787
All Saints, Yorkshire, England

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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: None

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Submitter
Anna ARROL
Birch Cottage Ryburn Road Ohaupo, Waikato nil

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:38

Rebecca Musgrave Compact Disc #136 Pin #1970105 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: 1816

Greatham,Durham,England

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Parents
Father: Ralph Musgrave Disc #136 Pin #1970088

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: William Lax Disc #136 Pin #1970106
Marriage: 3 Jul 1856
Greatham,Durham,England


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Notes and Sources
Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 136
Sources: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 136

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Submitter
harry (---)
Lane 17 South 350 East North Salt Lake, 84054

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:39

Rebecca Musgrave Compact Disc #5 Pin #742523 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: 23 Sep 1795

Greatham
Death: 7 Dec 1808

Greatham
Burial: 11 Dec 1808

Greatham

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Parents
Father: Ralph Musgrave Disc #5 Pin #742512
Mother: Barbara Smith Disc #5 Pin #742513

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Other Event(s)
Baptism: 24 Sep 1795
Greatham

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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: None

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Submitter
Submitter Name

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:40

Rebecca Musgrave Compact Disc #5 Pin #742766 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1765


Death: 1823

Elwick

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Parents
Father: Ralph Musgrave Disc #5 Pin #742764
Mother: Anne Spark Disc #5 Pin #742765

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Christopher Porritt Disc #5 Pin #742860
Marriage: 9 Dec 1784
Hart, DUR

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 7 Oct 2008 02:40

Rebecca Musgrave Compact Disc #5 Pin #743560 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: aft 24 Oct 1759



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Parents
Father: William Musgrave Disc #5 Pin #742816
Mother: Sarah Colpitts Disc #5 Pin #743559

Carole

Carole Report 7 Oct 2008 02:45

Yes that's them but as you can see there is no DOB for Ralph and believe me Great Stainton is a bit 'iffy' too: ... I don't think anyone has actually found an entry in the Parish Registers there? If they had they would have found a baptism date .... and we would know who his father was!! As it is we have neither!
I don't think the Great Stainton Registers, for around that time, (late 1600s), are available online?
I must go to bed. Perhaps we can talk more tomorrow?
Carole

Carole

Carole Report 7 Oct 2008 18:10

I forgot to mention that a Ralph Musgrave was a beneficiary in the will of one William Musgrave in 1719. ... He was however, only left one shilling, whilst two others, named as 'daughter' and 'son', were left several pounds: so whilst William was a relative; could have been an uncle, ... I don't THINK he was Ralph's father.
There is no hint as to where William originated from, in the will.

Mark

Mark Report 16 Jul 2009 18:32

Hello Carole, just found your messages by chance, dont know if we have been in touch before now. Ralph Musgrave of 1690 would have been my 7th great grandather (yes im linked through the hartlepool lot0, and as I syill liv ethere I have had a chance to browse the great stainton and othe rpossible registers without any success. have you had any more joy since your messages, you mentione a william musgrave leaving a will that mentioned ralph...have you got more details of this as this is a new one for me
thanks