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Good afternoon everyone. I would appreciate some help on this one if possible please.
I am researching William Cave born 1827 Beaulieu Hampshire England.
I have him in the 1841 census with his parents and sister Mary.....


1841 England Census
about William Cave
Name: William Cave
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Beaulieu
Hundred: Southampton Division Beaulieu Liberty
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: New Forest
Sub-registration district: Fawley
Registration district: New Forest
Sub-registration district: Fawley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cave 45
Mary Cave 45
William Cave 13
Mary Cave 7

I dont find him again untill 1891!!!


1891 England Census
about William Cave
Name: William Cave
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaulieu, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Boldre
Ecclesiastical parish: Boldre
Town: Boldre
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cave 62 (Married. Occ: Bailiff)
Fanny Lancaster 18 (General Servant)

And then .....


1901 England Census
about William Cave
Name: William Cave
Age: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaulieu, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Boldre
Ecclesiastical parish: Boldre St Johns
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary M Drummond 68
William Cave 72 (Married. Servant/Steward on Estate)
Priscilla Cave 64 (Married. Ladies Companion/Domestic) born 1837 Isle of Wight.
Margaret B Cave 32 (Single. Housekeeeper/Domestic) born 1869 Boldre Hampshire.

So i then checked out other census for Priscilla.....
The only other census i found for her was this one..........



1891 England Census
about Priscilla Cave
Name: Priscilla Cave
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of White Cowes

Civil parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward C Berridge 42
Mary A Berridge 54
Mary M Drummond 58
Priscilla Cave 54 (Married. Lodger. Living On Own Means)
Margaret Cave 22 (Born Boldre 1869)
Gertrude S Cave 20 (Born Boldre 1871)



Edith F Cave 13
Lollie M Luman 20

I have painstakingly checked every IOW marriage for William between 1841 - 1869 and more. Taking into consideration when Margaret B Cave was born.
I am also at a loss as to the missing Census's.............

1881 England Census
about William Care
Name: William Care
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant (Head) (Servant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaulieu, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Boldre
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: Riversdale House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Working Bailiff

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary M. Drummond 48
Priscilla Care 44
William Care 52
Margaret B. Care 12
Gertrude C. Care 10
Edith F. Care 3
Jane Hill 19

1871 census?

Name: William Carr
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramtion, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Boldre
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13b
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary M Drummond 38 occ Gentlewoman
William Carr 42 occ Baliff
Priscilla Carr 34
Margaret B Carr 2
Gertrude C Carr 3 Months
Kate Harris 23 Servant

I've looked at the image and the surname does look like 'Cave' although the writing is poor

Ooooh thankyou............i could kiss the pair of you!!!

Family 1871

1871 England Census
about Priscilla Carr
Name: Priscilla Carr
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: I W Cower, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Boldre
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13b
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Mary M Drummond 38
William Carr 42
Priscilla Carr 34
Margaret B Carr 2
Gertrude C Carr 3 Months
Kate Harris 23


Andy

I am hyperventilating for the marriage!!!

Susan - try breathing into a brown paper bag!

One option would be trying to trace the marriage by Priscilla's maiden name - do you know it?

If not, get one of the children's birth certificates to get her maiden name. Here's the details for Gertrudes birth registration:

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
CAVE Gertrude Clara Lymington 2b 603

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Gertrude Clara Cave
Name: Gertrude Clara Cave
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lymington
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Margaret Blanche Cave
Name: Margaret Blanche Cave
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lymington
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Edith Florence Cave
Name: Edith Florence Cave
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Lymington
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b

Thankyou everyone for your time..............i can see that ordering one of the childrens BCs is the way to go..........
Very much appreciated Susan

1861 England Census
about Mary M Drummond
Name: Mary M Drummond
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Bonchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Godshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ribbands 64
Mary Ribbands 53
Elizabeth Ribbands 21
Emma A Ribbands 20
Lucy M Ribbands 17
Fanny L Ribbands 16
Emily L Thomeysen 25
Charlotte Peardon 33
Jane Custle 19
Elizabeth Mabbett 17
Charlotte Westmore 18
Fanny Newburry 22
Fanny Bull 14
Harriett Corrington 23
George Locke 22
John Gray 19
Stratford De Radcliffe 74
Louisa C Canning 32
Augusta Seymour 62
Eliza Upton 61
Maria L Prior 51
Frederick Cox 25
Emma M Cox 25
Alfred Birley 28
Mary A Birley 19
Mary M Drummond 28
Priscilla Barter 24
Emma Wills 29
Anne Bromfield 32
Fanny L Cottier 25
Zedekiah Brooks 27
Edmund Allen 47
Elizabeth R Allen 35
Caroline Green 40
Dentone Gldis 35
William Corney 27
Elizabeth Corney 27
James Gardiner 48
Mark Huish 62
Margaret Huish 48
Flora Mc Hecar 22


immediately after Mary Drummond is

Name: Priscilla Barter
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Cowes

Civil parish: Bonchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England


Priscilla is a lady's maid the address is bonchurch hotel

You might have something Tempest.....

There is the following marriage for Priscilla Barter

Marriages Mar 1868
>>>BARTER Priscilla St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 409
Brown John Wilson St Geo Han Sq 1a 409
Hull George Henry Westminster 1a 409
Speyer Jane Louisa St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 409

You will note that the marriage for George Henry Hull is in Westminster which means that their is a Groom missing. I've just checked the index for 'Cave' in this quarter and guess what......there is this entry

Cave William St Geor H Sq 1a 409

Very interesting Tempest...........thankyou so much. Susan

looks like Edith Florence and Margaret Blanche were still living with Mary Drummond in 1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DRUMMOND, Mary Margaret
Address: Riversdale Boldre Lymington

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

DRUMMOND, Mary Margaret Head Single F 78 1833 Private Means London Pimblico
CANE, Margaret Blanche Friend Single F 42 1869 Private Means Hants Boldre
CANE, Edith Florance Friend Single F 33 1878 Nurse Trained Hospital Hants Boldre
LEVENY, Minnie Servant Widow F 34 1877 Cook Domestic Surrey Croydon
READ, Eva Violet Servant Single F 14 1897 Housemaid Domestic Dorset Frampton

Just checked the London Marriages on Ancestry but unfortunately the marriages in St Georges Hanover Sq only go up to 1832 ...:(

Unfortunately, it looks like you might have to fork out for a certificate!!

Please excuse me coming across as DIM! But, would i be correct in assuming then, that William Cave married Priscilla Barter in 1868???

Likely baptism for Priscilla:

Name: Priscilla Barter
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 30 Apr 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: St Mary, Cowes, Hampshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Barter
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Priscilla
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04143-9
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1470805
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

It looks that way Susan. (I mean he married Priscilla in 1868, not that you're dim!).

1851 census for Priscilla

Name: Priscilla Barter
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Barter
Mother's Name: Priscilla Barter
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight

Civil parish: Lymington
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age
William Barter 44 occ Gardener
Priscilla Barter 44
William Barter 16
Priscilla Barter 14
Elizabeth Barter 12
Charles Barter 10
George Barter 6

LoL Anne-Marie!
Thankyou everyone for your time and effort.............much appreciated as always. Susan x

you're welcome